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		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-410</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-1921</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2005 10:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jay Currie</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-408</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a couple of things: Jack, rude as your remarks are, I'd be happy to discuss your position over at my blog www.jaycurrie.com. Equality before the law is not a California concept or an American concept; it is one of the great gifts of the Enlightenment to the West and, as such, is part of our shared heritage.

Karen, you may very well have your reasons for banning Jack. Fair enough. But please don't do it on my account. I take my free speech seriously and, unless someone actually gets around to calling someone else names, I am inclined to let'em post. At the same time, its your blog and you have every right to run it your way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a couple of things: Jack, rude as your remarks are, I&#8217;d be happy to discuss your position over at my blog <a href="http://www.jaycurrie.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.jaycurrie.com</a>. Equality before the law is not a California concept or an American concept; it is one of the great gifts of the Enlightenment to the West and, as such, is part of our shared heritage.</p>
<p>Karen, you may very well have your reasons for banning Jack. Fair enough. But please don&#8217;t do it on my account. I take my free speech seriously and, unless someone actually gets around to calling someone else names, I am inclined to let&#8217;em post. At the same time, its your blog and you have every right to run it your way.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-407</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jay, Jack's comments are out of line (as well as incorrect, since Canada is part of the Americas!).  Jack, if you want to continue posting to this site, you need to apologize for your comment to Jay.  Otherwise, Jack, you are voted off this island indefinitely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay, Jack&#8217;s comments are out of line (as well as incorrect, since Canada is part of the Americas!).  Jack, if you want to continue posting to this site, you need to apologize for your comment to Jay.  Otherwise, Jack, you are voted off this island indefinitely.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Currie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Currie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you for trying Karen! If Arnie and W do manage to shut down this marvelous exercise in civic civil disobedience remember you can always come to Canada where, after the initial rush, you can get married. Period. No hassles. We'd be glad to have you.

It is an equal rights issue plain and simple: either you are equal before the law or you are not. Newsom is smart enough to realize that taking a stand in favour of equality is both principled and good politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you for trying Karen! If Arnie and W do manage to shut down this marvelous exercise in civic civil disobedience remember you can always come to Canada where, after the initial rush, you can get married. Period. No hassles. We&#8217;d be glad to have you.</p>
<p>It is an equal rights issue plain and simple: either you are equal before the law or you are not. Newsom is smart enough to realize that taking a stand in favour of equality is both principled and good politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Ayre</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-405</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori Ayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Debbie,

We also don't know what causes heterosexuality and yet it is "legal."  Nature is full of examples of homosexual and hetersexual partnerships.  Human beings are just one of hundreds of species that includes same sex partners as well as opposite sex partners.  You might want to read up on the American Psychological Association's STatement on Lesbian and Gay Issues at &lt;a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html." rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html." rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/a&gt; 

Allowing gays to marriage isn't legalizing "gayness."  Believe it or not, its already legal in the sense that no one can throw me in jail because I'm a lesbian.   Some of the more backward states in the union seem to think it is okay to throw people in jail if they catch them engaging in oral sex or other varieties of sexual activity commonly referred to as sodomy but sodomy doesn't equal gay - you might be as illegal as me!  It depends on your sexual activities and I don't really want to know anything about it--it's not my business.

Gay marriage is about recognizing that two people have created primary commitments -- emotional and financial -- to one another and that commitment should be acknowledged.  Why should it matter if the commitment is between two women or a man and woman?  Any partner deserve to be present at their partner's bedside when they are ill, deserves to get the house they have shared for 20 years when one partner dies, deserves to keep the children they've raised together, deserves to get their partners pension instead of having it go back to the state, etc.

It's an equal rights issue. It has nothing to do with whether "gayness" is legal.</description>
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<p>We also don&#8217;t know what causes heterosexuality and yet it is &#8220;legal.&#8221;  Nature is full of examples of homosexual and hetersexual partnerships.  Human beings are just one of hundreds of species that includes same sex partners as well as opposite sex partners.  You might want to read up on the American Psychological Association&#8217;s STatement on Lesbian and Gay Issues at <a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.apa.org/pi/statemen.html</a>. </p>
<p>Allowing gays to marriage isn&#8217;t legalizing &#8220;gayness.&#8221;  Believe it or not, its already legal in the sense that no one can throw me in jail because I&#8217;m a lesbian.   Some of the more backward states in the union seem to think it is okay to throw people in jail if they catch them engaging in oral sex or other varieties of sexual activity commonly referred to as sodomy but sodomy doesn&#8217;t equal gay - you might be as illegal as me!  It depends on your sexual activities and I don&#8217;t really want to know anything about it&#8211;it&#8217;s not my business.</p>
<p>Gay marriage is about recognizing that two people have created primary commitments &#8212; emotional and financial &#8212; to one another and that commitment should be acknowledged.  Why should it matter if the commitment is between two women or a man and woman?  Any partner deserve to be present at their partner&#8217;s bedside when they are ill, deserves to get the house they have shared for 20 years when one partner dies, deserves to keep the children they&#8217;ve raised together, deserves to get their partners pension instead of having it go back to the state, etc.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an equal rights issue. It has nothing to do with whether &#8220;gayness&#8221; is legal.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, politicians are often driven by both motivations: responsibility and expedience.  I don't consider that a bad thing.  Why shouldn't they care about whether they are representing their constituencies? That's part of democracy!  As for this being "quick and easy," apparently you've missed the attacks from the governor and the president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, politicians are often driven by both motivations: responsibility and expedience.  I don&#8217;t consider that a bad thing.  Why shouldn&#8217;t they care about whether they are representing their constituencies? That&#8217;s part of democracy!  As for this being &#8220;quick and easy,&#8221; apparently you&#8217;ve missed the attacks from the governor and the president.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um...
has anyone considered the political side of this?
 
At the risk of being another party pooper, politicians do not jump on something out of any sense of social or historical responsibility, but for political expedience.

I'm not a SFer, but this looks to me like a quick and easy way to pick up a block of voters (what's percentage of gays in SF?), if Newsom is looking to shore up political support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230;<br />
has anyone considered the political side of this?</p>
<p>At the risk of being another party pooper, politicians do not jump on something out of any sense of social or historical responsibility, but for political expedience.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a SFer, but this looks to me like a quick and easy way to pick up a block of voters (what&#8217;s percentage of gays in SF?), if Newsom is looking to shore up political support.</p>
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		<title>By: David Dodd</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/02/17/california-needs-gay-marriage-now/#comment-402</link>
		<dc:creator>David Dodd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2004 10:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, Lori!</description>
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