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	<title>Comments on: Comparing Apples and Rutabagas</title>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/04/28/comparing-apples-and-rutabagas/#comment-627</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But Jessamyn, that wasn't your argument in your post.  You drew a very simple relationship: building versus staff.  In fact, for all we know (do you know otherwise?), SPL did include money for staff in its building bond.  We'd have to ask the director about that.  

librarian.net is just a blog, but nonethless: your post was riddled with assumptions about what SPL had or had not done, based on two public facts: SPL cut its hours; SPL built a new library. Your post wasn't just limited in its conclusions; it needed better legwork to support your arguments.  A little virtual shoe-leather was in order. You also misrepresented the Seattle Times editorial you cited in your post, and unintentionally, I think, you missed the most significant point the writer was making about how libraries are funded.  

I would also be careful about criticizing SPL's decision to do well-publicized furloughs. Every library administrator faces an agonizing series of choices when budget cuts must be made: layoffs? Furloughs? Book budgets?  I don't know all of the factors that went into their decisions, but look at the positive press SPL has received for taking this approach.  

Furthermore, you say you are "not necessarily begrudging the city its fancy library," but in fact, your post and this subsequent response, with its reference to "sexy" and "pretty" libraries, did indeed do just that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But Jessamyn, that wasn&#8217;t your argument in your post.  You drew a very simple relationship: building versus staff.  In fact, for all we know (do you know otherwise?), SPL did include money for staff in its building bond.  We&#8217;d have to ask the director about that.  </p>
<p>librarian.net is just a blog, but nonethless: your post was riddled with assumptions about what SPL had or had not done, based on two public facts: SPL cut its hours; SPL built a new library. Your post wasn&#8217;t just limited in its conclusions; it needed better legwork to support your arguments.  A little virtual shoe-leather was in order. You also misrepresented the Seattle Times editorial you cited in your post, and unintentionally, I think, you missed the most significant point the writer was making about how libraries are funded.  </p>
<p>I would also be careful about criticizing SPL&#8217;s decision to do well-publicized furloughs. Every library administrator faces an agonizing series of choices when budget cuts must be made: layoffs? Furloughs? Book budgets?  I don&#8217;t know all of the factors that went into their decisions, but look at the positive press SPL has received for taking this approach.  </p>
<p>Furthermore, you say you are &#8220;not necessarily begrudging the city its fancy library,&#8221; but in fact, your post and this subsequent response, with its reference to &#8220;sexy&#8221; and &#8220;pretty&#8221; libraries, did indeed do just that.</p>
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		<title>By: jessamyn</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/04/28/comparing-apples-and-rutabagas/#comment-626</link>
		<dc:creator>jessamyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not necessarily begrudging the city its fancy library; it's an attractive lasting edifice that people will be proud of for a long time. However, the adjustment period is frequently rough for cities with new libraries, which is the point I am trying to highlight. Unforseen circumstances [in this case the tech bubble bursting, people getting less excited about paying higer taxes, and a host of other things] have put Seattle in an awkward position where people voted for an initiative that was supposed to benefit downtown and neighborhood libraries [with building projects as well as other infusions of cash and upgrades] and what they wound up with was a lot of fancy buildings, an overstressed/overworked staff, hiring freezes and layoffs, two free weeks off per year with no pay, and patrons who love the new libraries, for the most part, but are now getting fewer hours to use them. 

I understand the "the money comes out of different pots" argument. And yet, the staffing and facilities needs required to maintain newer larger buildings often expand without corresponding expansion in those budgets. Those are not different money pots, and the lack of money to adequately staff and maintain newer nicer buildings takes money out of a pot intended to maintain and staff all the libraries. Similarly, the development departments that are working to fund building initiatives work for all the libraries and have to prioritize their time as well. I think splitting themoney up is the easy part. Appropriately and fairly portioning the institutional efforts that go to the new sexy libraries as well as the old failing libraries is hard, and not always done well. 

I'd like to see these new building projects come with built in priorities to maintain existing services at the same time as they improve edifices and image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not necessarily begrudging the city its fancy library; it&#8217;s an attractive lasting edifice that people will be proud of for a long time. However, the adjustment period is frequently rough for cities with new libraries, which is the point I am trying to highlight. Unforseen circumstances [in this case the tech bubble bursting, people getting less excited about paying higer taxes, and a host of other things] have put Seattle in an awkward position where people voted for an initiative that was supposed to benefit downtown and neighborhood libraries [with building projects as well as other infusions of cash and upgrades] and what they wound up with was a lot of fancy buildings, an overstressed/overworked staff, hiring freezes and layoffs, two free weeks off per year with no pay, and patrons who love the new libraries, for the most part, but are now getting fewer hours to use them. </p>
<p>I understand the &#8220;the money comes out of different pots&#8221; argument. And yet, the staffing and facilities needs required to maintain newer larger buildings often expand without corresponding expansion in those budgets. Those are not different money pots, and the lack of money to adequately staff and maintain newer nicer buildings takes money out of a pot intended to maintain and staff all the libraries. Similarly, the development departments that are working to fund building initiatives work for all the libraries and have to prioritize their time as well. I think splitting themoney up is the easy part. Appropriately and fairly portioning the institutional efforts that go to the new sexy libraries as well as the old failing libraries is hard, and not always done well. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to see these new building projects come with built in priorities to maintain existing services at the same time as they improve edifices and image.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/04/28/comparing-apples-and-rutabagas/#comment-625</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I do not disagree with the private comment that bonds for construction should also accomodate staffing increases demanded by the new facility.  I'm simply objecting to the building-versus-staff scenario, and pointing out that a new building can be an asset for advocacy for operations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I do not disagree with the private comment that bonds for construction should also accomodate staffing increases demanded by the new facility.  I&#8217;m simply objecting to the building-versus-staff scenario, and pointing out that a new building can be an asset for advocacy for operations.</p>
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		<title>By: Walt Crawford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walt Crawford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's always struck me that big, beautiful libraries are good for a community--and that they represent an opportunity/obligation for the library to get the word out that good operational funding is needed. So I'm not disagreeing here.

Maybe the key is that any library facing a construction project should also be working on a "political" project to assure appropriate operational levels, and make sure the public understands that the library as an edifice doesn't do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s always struck me that big, beautiful libraries are good for a community&#8211;and that they represent an opportunity/obligation for the library to get the word out that good operational funding is needed. So I&#8217;m not disagreeing here.</p>
<p>Maybe the key is that any library facing a construction project should also be working on a &#8220;political&#8221; project to assure appropriate operational levels, and make sure the public understands that the library as an edifice doesn&#8217;t do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Christina</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/04/28/comparing-apples-and-rutabagas/#comment-623</link>
		<dc:creator>Christina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 19:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having an attractive building *is* important.  Dilapidated buildings like they have in DC drive customers out.  Would you rather sit in a Borders or B&#038;N that's a decent temperature and clean or a skanky library?  They needed this to compete. (I agree with KGS on the bond thingy.) My local county government is surprisingly supportive of the libraries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having an attractive building *is* important.  Dilapidated buildings like they have in DC drive customers out.  Would you rather sit in a Borders or B&#038;N that&#8217;s a decent temperature and clean or a skanky library?  They needed this to compete. (I agree with KGS on the bond thingy.) My local county government is surprisingly supportive of the libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Farley</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2004/04/28/comparing-apples-and-rutabagas/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen Farley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2004 18:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for pointing out that Seattle's lovely new Central Library is not the cause of the cut-back in hours.  Sure it's disheartening to know that Seattle's new Central Library will only be open 58 hours per week, but it's not because Seattle citizens spent their money on a building at the expense of general operating funds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for pointing out that Seattle&#8217;s lovely new Central Library is not the cause of the cut-back in hours.  Sure it&#8217;s disheartening to know that Seattle&#8217;s new Central Library will only be open 58 hours per week, but it&#8217;s not because Seattle citizens spent their money on a building at the expense of general operating funds.</p>
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