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	<description>K.G. Schneider's blog on librarianship, writing, and everything else, since 2003.</description>
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		<title>By: steven streight aka vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1774</link>
		<dc:creator>steven streight aka vaspers the grate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 14:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How individuals establish and maintain integrity on the web...a wonderfully important topic.

I cheer you on in this pursuit.

I started a blog called Blog Core Values, in which I address what I have determined to be the 9 core values that blogs should try to maintain and explain to others.

1. Authority 2. Passion 3. Transparency 4. Credibility 5. Individualism 6. Creativity 7. Originality 8. Relevance 9. Integrity

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How individuals establish and maintain integrity on the web&#8230;a wonderfully important topic.</p>
<p>I cheer you on in this pursuit.</p>
<p>I started a blog called Blog Core Values, in which I address what I have determined to be the 9 core values that blogs should try to maintain and explain to others.</p>
<p>1. Authority 2. Passion 3. Transparency 4. Credibility 5. Individualism 6. Creativity 7. Originality 8. Relevance 9. Integrity</p>
<p>:^)</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Griffey</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1773</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Griffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgs: We've tread some of this ground before :-) I would hardly expect a surgeon to operate on me via information in the wikipedia. What I would expect is that the scientific process of independent verification was followed to determine that said procedure was efficacious . This web of supporting facts might convince me to allow him to do the surgery, but NOT because he said so. Because there was proof external to his insistance...that's the actual reason I would trust his opinion. NOT because of authority qua authority, but because of the network of supporting facts built up to support his case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgs: We&#8217;ve tread some of this ground before <img src='http://freerangelibrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> I would hardly expect a surgeon to operate on me via information in the wikipedia. What I would expect is that the scientific process of independent verification was followed to determine that said procedure was efficacious . This web of supporting facts might convince me to allow him to do the surgery, but NOT because he said so. Because there was proof external to his insistance&#8230;that&#8217;s the actual reason I would trust his opinion. NOT because of authority qua authority, but because of the network of supporting facts built up to support his case.</p>
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		<title>By: steven streight aka vaspers the grate</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1772</link>
		<dc:creator>steven streight aka vaspers the grate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 01:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted an article a few days ago on the rise of the individual voice, entitled "Supreme Reality of the Blogosphere."

While two way interactive conversation is the strong asset of any blog in any situation, still, the independent, free thinking self-expression of an individual is key.

Blogs represent the universalization of web content. Virtually anyone anywhere, with internet access and a computer, can have a blog, can disseminate digitally and globally any message.

Only telephone and word of mouth have been universal communication media, but they were far from global in reach. But now blogs make global audience participation possible.

Unilateral conglomerate propaganda is dead. Long live the blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted an article a few days ago on the rise of the individual voice, entitled &#8220;Supreme Reality of the Blogosphere.&#8221;</p>
<p>While two way interactive conversation is the strong asset of any blog in any situation, still, the independent, free thinking self-expression of an individual is key.</p>
<p>Blogs represent the universalization of web content. Virtually anyone anywhere, with internet access and a computer, can have a blog, can disseminate digitally and globally any message.</p>
<p>Only telephone and word of mouth have been universal communication media, but they were far from global in reach. But now blogs make global audience participation possible.</p>
<p>Unilateral conglomerate propaganda is dead. Long live the blog.</p>
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		<title>By: kgs</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1771</link>
		<dc:creator>kgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Nov 2005 00:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, would you feel that way about a health issue? What if your surgeon said he had found an interesting new procedure on Wikipedia and was going to try it out on you that day? I think we respect (and need) authority qua authority more than you're admitting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, would you feel that way about a health issue? What if your surgeon said he had found an interesting new procedure on Wikipedia and was going to try it out on you that day? I think we respect (and need) authority qua authority more than you&#8217;re admitting.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Griffey</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1770</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Griffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great remarks from Heidi, and it reminded me of another thing I forgot to mention.

I love hearing voices, but I loath authority qua authority for information evaluation. That is, I like people who talk well about a given subject. What I don't like is the concept of authority generally for whether information is "good" or "bad." I'd rather the discussion pull that out than simply accepting someone's PoV on a topic. One should avoid, as Heidi puts it "the Fetishization" of the information source, and instead focus on the conversation itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great remarks from Heidi, and it reminded me of another thing I forgot to mention.</p>
<p>I love hearing voices, but I loath authority qua authority for information evaluation. That is, I like people who talk well about a given subject. What I don&#8217;t like is the concept of authority generally for whether information is &#8220;good&#8221; or &#8220;bad.&#8221; I&#8217;d rather the discussion pull that out than simply accepting someone&#8217;s PoV on a topic. One should avoid, as Heidi puts it &#8220;the Fetishization&#8221; of the information source, and instead focus on the conversation itself.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1769</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 15:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good comments, folks. Heidi, this struck a chord: "Maybe the libraryland angle lies in reminding them to pay attention to the user." That's what I did at WebCred... I think it may be the most urgent message I can bring to the table. 

Jason, I like the idea of bringing our human personalities to the IM table. As for getting the invitation, some much more important people were busy... but I'm not complaining!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good comments, folks. Heidi, this struck a chord: &#8220;Maybe the libraryland angle lies in reminding them to pay attention to the user.&#8221; That&#8217;s what I did at WebCred&#8230; I think it may be the most urgent message I can bring to the table. </p>
<p>Jason, I like the idea of bringing our human personalities to the IM table. As for getting the invitation, some much more important people were busy&#8230; but I&#8217;m not complaining!</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Griffey</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2005/11/07/frl-among-the-digirati/#comment-1768</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Griffey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 14:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such amazing questions! They immediately caused me to go in all sorts of directions...here are my first-blush thoughts on them.

"How do individual voices establish and maintain integrity on the web?" I think that individuals maintain integrity by being diligent in their writing, by linking to support documents, and by practicing good writing practices in general. These include but are not limited to: citation, transparency, and honesty. Note that neutrality isn't in there (this isn't strict journalism)...I want my 'net voices to be polarized to some degree. I want to see the passion for the topics.

"How can several voices be aggregated in a way that expands both the audience and the interaction with readers without sacrificing the independence of the individual voice? What are the strengths and weaknesses of blogs in terms of affording both easy expression of complex ideas and an emerging conversation about those ideas?"

Part of the first question is a technical question...a design question. The first thought I had was that to some degree design and interface has something to do with being able to pull out individual voices on a site. While language is certainly a part of individual voice, it can only benefit the reader when you mark the seperate voices by design choices as well. The web is a visual medium as much as it is a textual medium. My initial thought was something like using color as a distinguishing point between voices...similar but different than some IM programs. If I were designing a blog that needed this functionality, I'd start with identifying the different authors by a soft color background differentiation...my posts on a soft green, yours on a soft yellow, etc. That would allow visual distinction of voice before text even came into the picture. I know that's not the actual question...but that was where it took me. :-)

I do think that they blog is a great form for these sorts of issues. My only concern is that the conversation sometimes spread thinner than a reader can follow (across multiple other blogs, etc). Trackbacks are some of the answer, but they have their own special set of issues.

I look forward to seeing what others say! I'm also jealous/proud that you got invited to something like this. Way to go, Karen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such amazing questions! They immediately caused me to go in all sorts of directions&#8230;here are my first-blush thoughts on them.</p>
<p>&#8220;How do individual voices establish and maintain integrity on the web?&#8221; I think that individuals maintain integrity by being diligent in their writing, by linking to support documents, and by practicing good writing practices in general. These include but are not limited to: citation, transparency, and honesty. Note that neutrality isn&#8217;t in there (this isn&#8217;t strict journalism)&#8230;I want my &#8216;net voices to be polarized to some degree. I want to see the passion for the topics.</p>
<p>&#8220;How can several voices be aggregated in a way that expands both the audience and the interaction with readers without sacrificing the independence of the individual voice? What are the strengths and weaknesses of blogs in terms of affording both easy expression of complex ideas and an emerging conversation about those ideas?&#8221;</p>
<p>Part of the first question is a technical question&#8230;a design question. The first thought I had was that to some degree design and interface has something to do with being able to pull out individual voices on a site. While language is certainly a part of individual voice, it can only benefit the reader when you mark the seperate voices by design choices as well. The web is a visual medium as much as it is a textual medium. My initial thought was something like using color as a distinguishing point between voices&#8230;similar but different than some IM programs. If I were designing a blog that needed this functionality, I&#8217;d start with identifying the different authors by a soft color background differentiation&#8230;my posts on a soft green, yours on a soft yellow, etc. That would allow visual distinction of voice before text even came into the picture. I know that&#8217;s not the actual question&#8230;but that was where it took me. <img src='http://freerangelibrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I do think that they blog is a great form for these sorts of issues. My only concern is that the conversation sometimes spread thinner than a reader can follow (across multiple other blogs, etc). Trackbacks are some of the answer, but they have their own special set of issues.</p>
<p>I look forward to seeing what others say! I&#8217;m also jealous/proud that you got invited to something like this. Way to go, Karen!</p>
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		<title>By: heidi</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 04:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, the bit that stuck in my craw was this: "Bloggers who are experts in these fields can help us to parse "the news," which today is so thoroughly mediated by corporate interests that we often feel we don't know enough to engage in the social discourse necessary for a healthy society."

Are folks really shying away from social discourse? What about that Pew study published last week that termed half of all teens "content creators"? To me that glass is half full, but maybe your Famous Person thinks it's half empty.

I took a look at their if:book blog, and found a quote from FRL that struck a chord on this issue: "Ranganathan...was referring to a tendency in some people to fetishize the information source itself and lose sight that ultimately, information does not exist to please and amuse its creators or curators; as a common good, information can only be assessed in context of the needs of its users." The way that invitation letter champions the Expert seems a bit like it's fetishizing the information source. But perhaps I'm out in left field, since the FRL post I quote from above talked about the value of information that you can trust, which I suppose is what the Experts are aiming to provide. Then again, calling yourself an Expert doesn't automatically establish trust.

Maybe the libraryland angle lies in reminding them to pay attention to the user.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, the bit that stuck in my craw was this: &#8220;Bloggers who are experts in these fields can help us to parse &#8220;the news,&#8221; which today is so thoroughly mediated by corporate interests that we often feel we don&#8217;t know enough to engage in the social discourse necessary for a healthy society.&#8221;</p>
<p>Are folks really shying away from social discourse? What about that Pew study published last week that termed half of all teens &#8220;content creators&#8221;? To me that glass is half full, but maybe your Famous Person thinks it&#8217;s half empty.</p>
<p>I took a look at their if:book blog, and found a quote from FRL that struck a chord on this issue: &#8220;Ranganathan&#8230;was referring to a tendency in some people to fetishize the information source itself and lose sight that ultimately, information does not exist to please and amuse its creators or curators; as a common good, information can only be assessed in context of the needs of its users.&#8221; The way that invitation letter champions the Expert seems a bit like it&#8217;s fetishizing the information source. But perhaps I&#8217;m out in left field, since the FRL post I quote from above talked about the value of information that you can trust, which I suppose is what the Experts are aiming to provide. Then again, calling yourself an Expert doesn&#8217;t automatically establish trust.</p>
<p>Maybe the libraryland angle lies in reminding them to pay attention to the user.</p>
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