Comments on: Copyright for my NASIG Keynote http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/ K.G. Schneider's blog on librarianship, writing, and everything else, since 2003. Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:04:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: kgs http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3321 kgs Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:51:11 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3321 Anna, thank you. I suspect that NASIG has simply used this form from time immortal (adding in "gopher" and "WAIS" 15 years ago, but forgetting to later add other forms of Internet-tube) without anyone really pondering what it means. I'm going to rework it and send it back. Anna, thank you. I suspect that NASIG has simply used this form from time immortal (adding in “gopher” and “WAIS” 15 years ago, but forgetting to later add other forms of Internet-tube) without anyone really pondering what it means. I’m going to rework it and send it back.

]]> By: Anna http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3320 Anna Fri, 20 Apr 2007 00:01:16 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3320 FWIW, we're not using Gopher or WAIS. At least, in my two years as the NASIG webmaster, neither format has come to my attention. As for filming, although UMI has changed ownership and names over the years, most serials folks know that it is in reference to microfilm. FWIW, we’re not using Gopher or WAIS. At least, in my two years as the NASIG webmaster, neither format has come to my attention. As for filming, although UMI has changed ownership and names over the years, most serials folks know that it is in reference to microfilm.

]]> By: kgs http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3319 kgs Thu, 19 Apr 2007 01:33:47 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3319 Thanks, Genny! Thanks, Genny!

]]> By: Genny http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3318 Genny Wed, 18 Apr 2007 11:18:29 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3318 Never, never, never, never, ever do anything for Haworth Press if you want to retain any rights. This is why I will never again write for any Haworth journal. If you are speaking at an event not owned by Haworth, and they want to make like they own your speech, they are nuts, bananas, or some other food product with which you do not wish to identify. I don't really see how NASIG can require its speakers to abide by any old banana-split-like terms it agreed to in its scandalous drunken night with Haworth (about which better people have remained silent). I have never suffered from publish-or-perish, so I don't really care if they don't like my terms. If you insist on letting Haworth publish you, insist that they accept your terms, and stop agonizing about theirs. If they don't like your terms, screw 'em. No, you don't literally have to do so. Never, never, never, never, ever do anything for Haworth Press if you want to retain any rights.

This is why I will never again write for any Haworth journal.

If you are speaking at an event not owned by Haworth, and they want to make like they own your speech, they are nuts, bananas, or some other food product with which you do not wish to identify. I don’t really see how NASIG can require its speakers to abide by any old banana-split-like terms it agreed to in its scandalous drunken night with Haworth (about which better people have remained silent).

I have never suffered from publish-or-perish, so I don’t really care if they don’t like my terms. If you insist on letting Haworth publish you, insist that they accept your terms, and stop agonizing about theirs. If they don’t like your terms, screw ‘em. No, you don’t literally have to do so.

]]> By: Jonathan Rochkind http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3317 Jonathan Rochkind Tue, 17 Apr 2007 20:00:51 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3317 Whether it's fair of them to ask for those rights or not also has something to do with how much, if anything, they are to pay you. Whether it’s fair of them to ask for those rights or not also has something to do with how much, if anything, they are to pay you.

]]> By: kgs http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3316 kgs Tue, 17 Apr 2007 19:09:36 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3316 Dan, that's fair. :-) Dan, that’s fair. :-)

]]> By: Mark Perkins http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3315 Mark Perkins Tue, 17 Apr 2007 15:12:08 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3315 I agree with Dorothea Salo (April 15, 2007 10:32 AM); a) much lot revolves around definition of the word 'print', IMHO this does not include IR/Website b) IR/website does not equate to journal of book publication; 'The author(s) may not submit this work to any other journal or book publication until after it has appeared in the NASIG proceedings issue of the Serials Librarian.' c) IR/Website does not equal reprinting; 'All other policy regarding permission for reprinting are decided by the NASIG Board.' d) I would argue that placing in IR/website does not equate to submitting; '2b. the work has been submitted only to NASIG and that it has not been submitted elsewhere' e)Seems that publisher only claiming rights to first print; (Section 1)'Haworth Press owns rights to first print publication in the NASIG proceedings issue of Serials Librarian' Conclusion: I would interpret their claims much more narrowly... Mark Perkins I agree with Dorothea Salo (April 15, 2007 10:32 AM);

a) much lot revolves around definition of the word ‘print’, IMHO this does not include IR/Website

b) IR/website does not equate to journal of book publication; ‘The author(s) may not submit this work to any other journal or book publication until after it has appeared in the NASIG proceedings issue of the Serials Librarian.’

c) IR/Website does not equal reprinting; ‘All other policy regarding permission for reprinting are decided by the NASIG Board.’

d) I would argue that placing in IR/website does not equate to submitting; ‘2b. the work has been submitted only to NASIG and that it has not been submitted elsewhere’

e)Seems that publisher only claiming rights to first print; (Section 1)’Haworth Press owns rights to first print publication in the NASIG proceedings issue of Serials Librarian’

Conclusion: I would interpret their claims much more narrowly…

Mark Perkins

]]> By: dchud http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3314 dchud Tue, 17 Apr 2007 07:08:38 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3314 Indeed, then, we are on different grounds, and either way, I shouldn't have assumed otherwise. I took this opportunity before I had a job, and am doing it on my own time, and will not be representing my employer, and my views do not reflect blah blah blah. I guess this means that I buy the drinks. :) Indeed, then, we are on different grounds, and either way, I shouldn’t have assumed otherwise. I took this opportunity before I had a job, and am doing it on my own time, and will not be representing my employer, and my views do not reflect blah blah blah.

I guess this means that I buy the drinks. :)

]]> By: kgs http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3313 kgs Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:35:45 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3313 Dan, in re "they're paying us to speak"--I did not ask for payment, just agreed to have them cover my costs. This is a professional presentation on company time, so I would not ask for or accept an honorarium, so that was a fair exchange, up to the point where I have to give up any rights to my content. Since that's the case, it appears you and I are on different negotation grounds, and I'd rather keep my paws on my content and negotiate publication of it separately. I think it will be best for all concerned if I modify the agreement and send it back the way I'd like to see it handled, then let them respond. No criticism of NASIG, but I would prefer to have this arrangement on different terms. Susie, I think you're right--it wouldn't be the first time I've encouraged a publisher to update an agreement. (I mean, if they're running a WAIS server, I'm tempted to let them publish it that way..!) Barbara, I knew there was something that bugged me about Haworth Press. Thank you. Dan, in re “they’re paying us to speak”–I did not ask for payment, just agreed to have them cover my costs. This is a professional presentation on company time, so I would not ask for or accept an honorarium, so that was a fair exchange, up to the point where I have to give up any rights to my content. Since that’s the case, it appears you and I are on different negotation grounds, and I’d rather keep my paws on my content and negotiate publication of it separately.

I think it will be best for all concerned if I modify the agreement and send it back the way I’d like to see it handled, then let them respond. No criticism of NASIG, but I would prefer to have this arrangement on different terms. Susie, I think you’re right–it wouldn’t be the first time I’ve encouraged a publisher to update an agreement. (I mean, if they’re running a WAIS server, I’m tempted to let them publish it that way..!)

Barbara, I knew there was something that bugged me about Haworth Press. Thank you.

]]> By: srl http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3312 srl Mon, 16 Apr 2007 04:13:25 +0000 http://www.freerangelibrarian.com/2007/04/14/copyright-for-my-nasig-keynote/#comment-3312 <p>Having a little experience with publishing contracts from the publisher's side, I would encourage you to request the contract revisions you would like. You probably won't get everything you want, but it's worth a try. The publisher might even be grateful for the nudge to update their boilerplate. Let us know what happens!</p> <p>Susie Lorand (Editor-turned-library-student)</p> Having a little experience with publishing contracts from the publisher’s side, I would encourage you to request the contract revisions you would like. You probably won’t get everything you want, but it’s worth a try. The publisher might even be grateful for the nudge to update their boilerplate. Let us know what happens!

Susie Lorand (Editor-turned-library-student)

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