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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10720</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, in terms of numbers, *effectively* replying to a popular blog is impossible unless you&#039;re some sort a pundit yourself or have the support of gatekeepers. This is just a fact, and claiming otherwise is delusional propaganda. One could just as well assert &quot;... in the print world can just as easily mean two or more BOOKS side by side&quot;. That is, it&#039;s a deceptive redefinition meant to make the favored side look good.

This comment thread is both relatively obscure (sorry Karen), and on a blog by a person with some prominence (translating into attention) in the field.

In practice, people who don&#039;t have some sort of status - which often requires being connected to real-world centers of power, and/or doing the real-world conference circuit - might just as well be ranting on streetcorner for all the readership they&#039;ll get by themselves. Again, that&#039;s not arguable, that&#039;s statistics.

It&#039;s sort of an absurd statement to say something like look, look, it&#039;d be even easier for them to be read if anyone ever did read them (i.e. even though they won&#039;t be read).

Concretely, the fallacy you are doing is if a system consists of several factors, which lead overall to a bad result (no effective reply ability), pick one favorable factor, declare because that factor has changed favorably, it thus means the net result has changed - even if the net result is no different, and even if there&#039;s arguably other factors which have changed negatively. But it&#039;s the net result which matters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, in terms of numbers, *effectively* replying to a popular blog is impossible unless you&#8217;re some sort a pundit yourself or have the support of gatekeepers. This is just a fact, and claiming otherwise is delusional propaganda. One could just as well assert &#8220;&#8230; in the print world can just as easily mean two or more BOOKS side by side&#8221;. That is, it&#8217;s a deceptive redefinition meant to make the favored side look good.</p>
<p>This comment thread is both relatively obscure (sorry Karen), and on a blog by a person with some prominence (translating into attention) in the field.</p>
<p>In practice, people who don&#8217;t have some sort of status &#8211; which often requires being connected to real-world centers of power, and/or doing the real-world conference circuit &#8211; might just as well be ranting on streetcorner for all the readership they&#8217;ll get by themselves. Again, that&#8217;s not arguable, that&#8217;s statistics.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sort of an absurd statement to say something like look, look, it&#8217;d be even easier for them to be read if anyone ever did read them (i.e. even though they won&#8217;t be read).</p>
<p>Concretely, the fallacy you are doing is if a system consists of several factors, which lead overall to a bad result (no effective reply ability), pick one favorable factor, declare because that factor has changed favorably, it thus means the net result has changed &#8211; even if the net result is no different, and even if there&#8217;s arguably other factors which have changed negatively. But it&#8217;s the net result which matters.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10708</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mark Ockerbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kgs, Seth: Thanks for your replies.  I think Gorman most likely meant &quot;western medicine&quot; in the sense Seth says, but both that meaning and the &quot;western medicine == Big Pharma&quot; meaning are re-definitions.  Yes, western medicine, that is, the medicine taught and practiced by generally recognized authorities in the west have been at the forefront of propagating both Big-Pharma treatments (perhaps too strongly in some cases) and scientifically-based treatment development and evaluation methodology.  But to *equate* western medicine with either of those tends to be, if not just sloppy rhetoric, something I associate with medicine-show huckstering (of various varieties) on the one hand, and with cultural chauvinism on the other.  Both of which are hot buttons for me, for various reasons.  (As kgs points out, a number of efficacious medical treatments did not originate from traditionally authoritative &quot;western&quot; sources.  You can see this, for instance, in current conflicts over patenting various traditional Indian treatments.)

As for the notion that one can&#039;t effectively talk back to a blog post if the blog&#039;s owner doesn&#039;t allow critical comments, this very thread, and the various other replies to Gorman I ran across in various other blogs and forums before I even read his own blog post, refutes that claim.  &quot;Side by side&quot; in the online world can just as easily mean two or more sites side by side on a screen as a post and a comment on the same web page.  And it&#039;s increasingly easy to find such critical replies, whether same-site or off-site, with the tools we now have on the Web.   Certainly much easier than it would be on TV, or even in a bookstore or library for many topics.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kgs, Seth: Thanks for your replies.  I think Gorman most likely meant &#8220;western medicine&#8221; in the sense Seth says, but both that meaning and the &#8220;western medicine == Big Pharma&#8221; meaning are re-definitions.  Yes, western medicine, that is, the medicine taught and practiced by generally recognized authorities in the west have been at the forefront of propagating both Big-Pharma treatments (perhaps too strongly in some cases) and scientifically-based treatment development and evaluation methodology.  But to *equate* western medicine with either of those tends to be, if not just sloppy rhetoric, something I associate with medicine-show huckstering (of various varieties) on the one hand, and with cultural chauvinism on the other.  Both of which are hot buttons for me, for various reasons.  (As kgs points out, a number of efficacious medical treatments did not originate from traditionally authoritative &#8220;western&#8221; sources.  You can see this, for instance, in current conflicts over patenting various traditional Indian treatments.)</p>
<p>As for the notion that one can&#8217;t effectively talk back to a blog post if the blog&#8217;s owner doesn&#8217;t allow critical comments, this very thread, and the various other replies to Gorman I ran across in various other blogs and forums before I even read his own blog post, refutes that claim.  &#8220;Side by side&#8221; in the online world can just as easily mean two or more sites side by side on a screen as a post and a comment on the same web page.  And it&#8217;s increasingly easy to find such critical replies, whether same-site or off-site, with the tools we now have on the Web.   Certainly much easier than it would be on TV, or even in a bookstore or library for many topics.)</p>
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		<title>By: Seth Finkelstein</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10594</link>
		<dc:creator>Seth Finkelstein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if people simply don&#039;t understand the phrase, or are being knee-jerk in opposition, but &quot;Western medicine&quot; is a common phrase meaning *scientific* medicine, contrasted to &quot;Eastern medicine&quot;, meaning everything from acupuncture to auras (please, someone don&#039;t pipe up and say &quot;Well, there might be something to acupuncture&quot; - if you have to say that, it&#039;s missing the point already). He&#039;s decrying quack medicine. While that&#039;s not an especially Web 2.0 phenomena, it IS true that the quacks travel along with the general caravan of the exploitation of gullibility and appeal to anti-intellectualism that makes up the Web 2.0 hucksterism.

P.S. : John, no, one *CAN&#039;T* effectively talk back to a blog post (over opposition), that&#039;s utter nonsense. The blog-owner can zap any critical comments or disallow comments entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if people simply don&#8217;t understand the phrase, or are being knee-jerk in opposition, but &#8220;Western medicine&#8221; is a common phrase meaning *scientific* medicine, contrasted to &#8220;Eastern medicine&#8221;, meaning everything from acupuncture to auras (please, someone don&#8217;t pipe up and say &#8220;Well, there might be something to acupuncture&#8221; &#8211; if you have to say that, it&#8217;s missing the point already). He&#8217;s decrying quack medicine. While that&#8217;s not an especially Web 2.0 phenomena, it IS true that the quacks travel along with the general caravan of the exploitation of gullibility and appeal to anti-intellectualism that makes up the Web 2.0 hucksterism.</p>
<p>P.S. : John, no, one *CAN&#8217;T* effectively talk back to a blog post (over opposition), that&#8217;s utter nonsense. The blog-owner can zap any critical comments or disallow comments entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10526</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...errr...that&#039;s Gorman, not Gordon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;errr&#8230;that&#8217;s Gorman, not Gordon</p>
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		<title>By: Anne</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10525</link>
		<dc:creator>Anne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:24:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In re-reading Mr. Gorman&#039;s piece, I believe we have missed the most important critique that could be made.  To be truly effective, he would be well-advised to use the technique advocated by my high school English teacher: Eschew Obfuscation.

Obfuscation is handy for confusing a code, and as a tool for covering up one&#039;s own insecurity by over-dressing one&#039;s speech.

Eschew, Mr. Gordon!  And Gesunheit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re-reading Mr. Gorman&#8217;s piece, I believe we have missed the most important critique that could be made.  To be truly effective, he would be well-advised to use the technique advocated by my high school English teacher: Eschew Obfuscation.</p>
<p>Obfuscation is handy for confusing a code, and as a tool for covering up one&#8217;s own insecurity by over-dressing one&#8217;s speech.</p>
<p>Eschew, Mr. Gordon!  And Gesunheit.</p>
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		<title>By: kgs</title>
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		<dc:creator>kgs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 19:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, he didn&#039;t say &quot;snake oil is prevalent,&quot; nor did he explain why the Web was any worse than mass media at promoting hooey. How many people have decided they have restless leg syndrome because commercials introduced them to this hitherto unknown crisis?

He didn&#039;t even say alternative medicine; he said alternatives to &quot;Western&quot; medicine. I think that was a slip, and a telling one. We have a lot to learn from other countries, and yes, I do think modern U.S. medicine tends to be of the big-pharm model, even when good doctors want it to be otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, he didn&#8217;t say &#8220;snake oil is prevalent,&#8221; nor did he explain why the Web was any worse than mass media at promoting hooey. How many people have decided they have restless leg syndrome because commercials introduced them to this hitherto unknown crisis?</p>
<p>He didn&#8217;t even say alternative medicine; he said alternatives to &#8220;Western&#8221; medicine. I think that was a slip, and a telling one. We have a lot to learn from other countries, and yes, I do think modern U.S. medicine tends to be of the big-pharm model, even when good doctors want it to be otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: John Mark Ockerbloom</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/06/12/the-gorman-shall-rise-again/comment-page-1/#comment-10501</link>
		<dc:creator>John Mark Ockerbloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I find little value in Gorman&#039;s you-kids-get-off-my-lawn rants, I&#039;ve been a bit puzzled at the reaction to his &quot;alternatives to western medicine&quot; bit here and elsewhere.  Yes, his assertion there is yet another bit of sloppy rhetoric, but I&#039;ve seen in more than one reply an assumption that &quot;western medicine&quot; == &quot;using patented pharmaceuticals to the exclusion of other kinds of treatments&quot;.  And that seems to me a caricature of western medicine.  (Perhaps one that is unfortunately followed by some doctors, but as far as I know it&#039;s not recommended medical training.)  Dietary and physical therapy of various kinds have long been components of a good &quot;western&quot; physician&#039;s repertoire.

What is true, though, is that what&#039;s marketed as &quot;alternative medicine&quot; includes a lot of quackery, unsubstantiated claims, and in some cases outright dangerous recommendations.  A lot of this propagates on the Internet.  But it also propagates in a lot of &quot;respectable&quot; channels, including public TV pledge-week programs, and drugstore bookracks.  At least on the Internet (as in good libraries, I might add) you can see both the questionable claims *and* skeptical responses to the claims.  The web-2.0 world makes this even easier, allowing claims and their rebuttals to appear side by side.  You can talk back much more easily to a blog post than you can to, say, a Gary Null special on &quot;educational television&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I find little value in Gorman&#8217;s you-kids-get-off-my-lawn rants, I&#8217;ve been a bit puzzled at the reaction to his &#8220;alternatives to western medicine&#8221; bit here and elsewhere.  Yes, his assertion there is yet another bit of sloppy rhetoric, but I&#8217;ve seen in more than one reply an assumption that &#8220;western medicine&#8221; == &#8220;using patented pharmaceuticals to the exclusion of other kinds of treatments&#8221;.  And that seems to me a caricature of western medicine.  (Perhaps one that is unfortunately followed by some doctors, but as far as I know it&#8217;s not recommended medical training.)  Dietary and physical therapy of various kinds have long been components of a good &#8220;western&#8221; physician&#8217;s repertoire.</p>
<p>What is true, though, is that what&#8217;s marketed as &#8220;alternative medicine&#8221; includes a lot of quackery, unsubstantiated claims, and in some cases outright dangerous recommendations.  A lot of this propagates on the Internet.  But it also propagates in a lot of &#8220;respectable&#8221; channels, including public TV pledge-week programs, and drugstore bookracks.  At least on the Internet (as in good libraries, I might add) you can see both the questionable claims *and* skeptical responses to the claims.  The web-2.0 world makes this even easier, allowing claims and their rebuttals to appear side by side.  You can talk back much more easily to a blog post than you can to, say, a Gary Null special on &#8220;educational television&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: davidrothman.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gormangate II and disagreeing with T. Scott Again</title>
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		<dc:creator>davidrothman.net &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Gormangate II and disagreeing with T. Scott Again</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it. I was going to stay out of the discussion of Gormangate II (see this, this, this, this, and this, for examples) until I saw Scott&#8217;s post on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it. I was going to stay out of the discussion of Gormangate II (see this, this, this, this, and this, for examples) until I saw Scott&#8217;s post on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Infothought</title>
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		<dc:creator>Infothought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;The Britannica Blog Learns to Link-Bait...&lt;/strong&gt;

I should write about Google and log retention, but as long as I haven&#039;t quit entirely yet, the following is too good to a traffic-magnet to let pass. It seems the Britannica Blog is having a link-baiting party, I mean......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>The Britannica Blog Learns to Link-Bait&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>I should write about Google and log retention, but as long as I haven&#8217;t quit entirely yet, the following is too good to a traffic-magnet to let pass. It seems the Britannica Blog is having a link-baiting party, I mean&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Much food for thought from Britannica &#187; mathewingram.com/work</title>
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		<dc:creator>Much food for thought from Britannica &#187; mathewingram.com/work</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Range Librarian takes some well-deserved shots at Gorman here, and accuses Britannica of hyping up his criticisms in an attempt to boost traffic (people do that [...]</description>
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