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		<title>By: I am the Annoyed Librarian</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-91073</link>
		<dc:creator>I am the Annoyed Librarian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 16:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] like when I said I could post about public libraries without speaking as a librarian, or when I ranted at NASIG for requiring me to submit a paper as well as give a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anna Creech</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-48290</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna Creech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 06:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, the reason why the two guys had their talks written up (I did one of them) is because they chose that option.  I&#039;m sorry that the paperwork wasn&#039;t clearer -- this is the first time we&#039;ve had a problem like this.   It&#039;s not sexist in any way, as far as I can tell,  and I&#039;m glad you have redacted your earlier statements about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the reason why the two guys had their talks written up (I did one of them) is because they chose that option.  I&#8217;m sorry that the paperwork wasn&#8217;t clearer &#8212; this is the first time we&#8217;ve had a problem like this.   It&#8217;s not sexist in any way, as far as I can tell,  and I&#8217;m glad you have redacted your earlier statements about that.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-42154</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh... and with fee-based presentations I usually do negotiate. This was originally a &quot;whuffie&quot; (for a job I never actually held!) but I was unemployed for a while, and at that point the issue of work products became much more food-on-the-table, pay-the-mortgage critical for me. 

Even with whuffies, I&#039;m careful to do my part to keep the terms fair (and clear) for both parties, so everyone&#039;s happy. I have never had an issue like this before. 

I also believe verbal contracts should not misrepresent written contracts. I expect that on a fly-by-night used-car lot, not with colleagues. The library speaking circuit is no place to have to deal with &quot;caveat emptor.&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh&#8230; and with fee-based presentations I usually do negotiate. This was originally a &#8220;whuffie&#8221; (for a job I never actually held!) but I was unemployed for a while, and at that point the issue of work products became much more food-on-the-table, pay-the-mortgage critical for me. </p>
<p>Even with whuffies, I&#8217;m careful to do my part to keep the terms fair (and clear) for both parties, so everyone&#8217;s happy. I have never had an issue like this before. </p>
<p>I also believe verbal contracts should not misrepresent written contracts. I expect that on a fly-by-night used-car lot, not with colleagues. The library speaking circuit is no place to have to deal with &#8220;caveat emptor.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-42153</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:22:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>findthepattern, you are so right. The good news is that MPOW is a GPOW which means LII will stay MPOW Minus 2 for a while. :-)

Yes, reading contracts carefully is so important...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>findthepattern, you are so right. The good news is that MPOW is a GPOW which means LII will stay MPOW Minus 2 for a while. <img src='http://freerangelibrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Yes, reading contracts carefully is so important&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: findthepattern</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-42151</link>
		<dc:creator>findthepattern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 18:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t LII MPOW minus *2* now? :-) 

I agree that this makes a great cautionary tale to read those contracts more carefully and to not be afraid to negotiate for what is equitable!!!  It gives librarianship a bad name when this is viewed as being a &quot;miss poopy pants&quot; which in itself is so boomer it makes me cry. (and in the interests of full disclosure - I am a boomer)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t LII MPOW minus *2* now? <img src='http://freerangelibrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I agree that this makes a great cautionary tale to read those contracts more carefully and to not be afraid to negotiate for what is equitable!!!  It gives librarianship a bad name when this is viewed as being a &#8220;miss poopy pants&#8221; which in itself is so boomer it makes me cry. (and in the interests of full disclosure &#8211; I am a boomer)</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-42054</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 12:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Anon, 

Like I said, I screwed up (and I made it clear I screwed up), but I&#039;m not taking it on the chin for womenkind. NASIG had a responsibility to treat its speakers equitably. I actually would have less issue if I had been paid less than the other speakers than to have NASIG lean so hard on me about this &quot;requirement&quot; ten months after they got it in writing through one short sentence on the second page of a contract. 

No, I do not agree it was my job to stay on top of this requirement, and it was bizarre to get my first reminder almost two months after I had given the talk. The &quot;girly&quot; thing to do would be to quietly assume responsibility for this requirement, then keep my mouth shut about the guys getting different treatment.  I&#039;m cheap, but I&#039;m not easy.

Also note that you&#039;re confusing the copyright agreement with the contract. I was operating under the delusion they were referring to my presentation, as I&#039;ve frequently signed copyright statements for my talks. 

Finally, I am not averse to criticism, but anonymous criticism is for wimps. If I can&#039;t or won&#039;t put my name on it, I won&#039;t say it. I posted this because it represents the kind of response I expected on this post, which is why I debated long and hard about it... for a month in fact. But your comment isn&#039;t abusive, just wrongheaded, and surely represents a point of view shared by some of this blog&#039;s readers, so I posted it, and I&#039;ll protect your privacy, as well... that turning-the-other-cheek business I keep hearing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Anon, </p>
<p>Like I said, I screwed up (and I made it clear I screwed up), but I&#8217;m not taking it on the chin for womenkind. NASIG had a responsibility to treat its speakers equitably. I actually would have less issue if I had been paid less than the other speakers than to have NASIG lean so hard on me about this &#8220;requirement&#8221; ten months after they got it in writing through one short sentence on the second page of a contract. </p>
<p>No, I do not agree it was my job to stay on top of this requirement, and it was bizarre to get my first reminder almost two months after I had given the talk. The &#8220;girly&#8221; thing to do would be to quietly assume responsibility for this requirement, then keep my mouth shut about the guys getting different treatment.  I&#8217;m cheap, but I&#8217;m not easy.</p>
<p>Also note that you&#8217;re confusing the copyright agreement with the contract. I was operating under the delusion they were referring to my presentation, as I&#8217;ve frequently signed copyright statements for my talks. </p>
<p>Finally, I am not averse to criticism, but anonymous criticism is for wimps. If I can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t put my name on it, I won&#8217;t say it. I posted this because it represents the kind of response I expected on this post, which is why I debated long and hard about it&#8230; for a month in fact. But your comment isn&#8217;t abusive, just wrongheaded, and surely represents a point of view shared by some of this blog&#8217;s readers, so I posted it, and I&#8217;ll protect your privacy, as well&#8230; that turning-the-other-cheek business I keep hearing about.</p>
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		<title>By: NASIG member</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-41913</link>
		<dc:creator>NASIG member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 04:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t attend NASIG this year, so I am glad that I didn&#039;t spend money to hear a speaker who now shows disdain for the audience as irrelevant.  In some of your other posts on this blog, you have mentioned presenting at this conference in a much different light.  I am not sure if your attitude has changed because you are now reminded of a paper that you agreed to write.    

It is so contradictory to the earlier post that you wrote about their contract.  You were so complimentary of their contract that you even asked to post a copy of the contract on your blog.   You specifically noted its clarity.  So, what happened Karen?
http://freerangelibrarian.com/2006/11/18/speaking-of-speaking-2/

I have always enjoyed reading your blog and involvement in the library profession.  But, to accuse an organization of being sexist in their requirement to make you, Karen Schneider, write a paper is almost funny.  What would have happened if you had just asked about this requirement when you signed this very clear contract?  

You were given an opportunity to speak in front of an audience made up of publishers, vendors, collection development, acquisitions, and serials librarians who come from a wide variety of institutions and companies.  You were given more reimbursement than some of the other speakers (just look at their reimbursement policy on their website) and you probably added some fans to your base.  You forget about a requirement and some volunteer fell down on the job on reminding you of this obligation.  What is your reaction?  Complain and throw out some thoughtless statements.  Sure makes us women look good - we can&#039;t be trusted to read agreements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t attend NASIG this year, so I am glad that I didn&#8217;t spend money to hear a speaker who now shows disdain for the audience as irrelevant.  In some of your other posts on this blog, you have mentioned presenting at this conference in a much different light.  I am not sure if your attitude has changed because you are now reminded of a paper that you agreed to write.    </p>
<p>It is so contradictory to the earlier post that you wrote about their contract.  You were so complimentary of their contract that you even asked to post a copy of the contract on your blog.   You specifically noted its clarity.  So, what happened Karen?<br />
<a href="http://freerangelibrarian.com/2006/11/18/speaking-of-speaking-2/" rel="nofollow">http://freerangelibrarian.com/2006/11/18/speaking-of-speaking-2/</a></p>
<p>I have always enjoyed reading your blog and involvement in the library profession.  But, to accuse an organization of being sexist in their requirement to make you, Karen Schneider, write a paper is almost funny.  What would have happened if you had just asked about this requirement when you signed this very clear contract?  </p>
<p>You were given an opportunity to speak in front of an audience made up of publishers, vendors, collection development, acquisitions, and serials librarians who come from a wide variety of institutions and companies.  You were given more reimbursement than some of the other speakers (just look at their reimbursement policy on their website) and you probably added some fans to your base.  You forget about a requirement and some volunteer fell down on the job on reminding you of this obligation.  What is your reaction?  Complain and throw out some thoughtless statements.  Sure makes us women look good &#8211; we can&#8217;t be trusted to read agreements.</p>
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		<title>By: genevieve</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-41404</link>
		<dc:creator>genevieve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 01:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what a fantastic permanent record it is, too. Ms. Schneider, I apologise for not having visited this space earlier. 
I read your wonderful piece on Critical Mass about journals - I have banged on a bit about same for an Oz poetry journal recently, so was gratified (sombrely) to find my concerns supported, developed and refined by your expert opinion. 
As you were, guys... fight the good fight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what a fantastic permanent record it is, too. Ms. Schneider, I apologise for not having visited this space earlier.<br />
I read your wonderful piece on Critical Mass about journals &#8211; I have banged on a bit about same for an Oz poetry journal recently, so was gratified (sombrely) to find my concerns supported, developed and refined by your expert opinion.<br />
As you were, guys&#8230; fight the good fight.</p>
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		<title>By: Robin Imperial</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-41127</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin Imperial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2007 17:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, some of us ASPIRE to be deemed

MISS POOPY-PANTS!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, some of us ASPIRE to be deemed</p>
<p>MISS POOPY-PANTS!</p>
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		<title>By: Cliff</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/08/21/nasig-three-bags-full/comment-page-1/#comment-40538</link>
		<dc:creator>Cliff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Aug 2007 14:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please do continue to scandalize.  I only hope that more people read your Permanent Record and try to follow in your footsteps--I know I will.  

If you have any advice for us pee-standing-up folks to help remove the inequities, please let us know.  Not being in a money-determining position leaves my options for this particular social justice fight somewhat limited, it appears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do continue to scandalize.  I only hope that more people read your Permanent Record and try to follow in your footsteps&#8211;I know I will.  </p>
<p>If you have any advice for us pee-standing-up folks to help remove the inequities, please let us know.  Not being in a money-determining position leaves my options for this particular social justice fight somewhat limited, it appears.</p>
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