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		<title>By: Jodi Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/11/07/email-lists-are-they-last-century/comment-page-1/#comment-137319</link>
		<dc:creator>Jodi Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Dec 2007 03:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meant to link to a September post
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dancohen.org/2007/09/21/digital-campus-13-everything-in-moderation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;
http://www.dancohen.org/2007/09/21/digital-campus-13-everything-in-moderation/
&lt;/a&gt;, where Dan Cohen says &quot;Is the moderated environment of email discussion lists still the best way for scholars to communicate with others in their field? Or is the time ripe to move those conversations onto blogs and less mediated and more open formats? That’s the debate in the feature segment of &lt;a href=&quot;http://digitalcampus.tv/2007/09/21/episode-13-everything-in-moderation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this week’s Digital Campus podcast.&lt;/a&gt;&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meant to link to a September post<br />
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</a><a href="http://www.dancohen.org/2007/09/21/digital-campus-13-everything-in-moderation/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dancohen.org/2007/09/21/digital-campus-13-everything-in-moderation/</a><br />
, where Dan Cohen says &#8220;Is the moderated environment of email discussion lists still the best way for scholars to communicate with others in their field? Or is the time ripe to move those conversations onto blogs and less mediated and more open formats? That’s the debate in the feature segment of <a href="http://digitalcampus.tv/2007/09/21/episode-13-everything-in-moderation/" rel="nofollow">this week’s Digital Campus podcast.</a>&#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/11/07/email-lists-are-they-last-century/comment-page-1/#comment-129608</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 17:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s partly the diffuse nature of ideas, the idea that a person or small group of people, rather than a list, curates a discussion (whether tightly or laissez-faire), and that the discussion flows across other discussion places. The discussion evolves differently, in part because all voices can be heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s partly the diffuse nature of ideas, the idea that a person or small group of people, rather than a list, curates a discussion (whether tightly or laissez-faire), and that the discussion flows across other discussion places. The discussion evolves differently, in part because all voices can be heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Lester</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/11/07/email-lists-are-they-last-century/comment-page-1/#comment-129389</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 11:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karen, I&#039;m coming into this &quot;thread&quot; (can we call them that on a blog?) a month late and several dollars short.  But what IS the difference between this thread and the same sequence of messages on a list, whether web4lib or others?  We still have a number of people commenting/posting, and a larger number (presumably) reading, and a larger yet number ignoring it all, even if they have an RSS feed or a list subscription.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karen, I&#8217;m coming into this &#8220;thread&#8221; (can we call them that on a blog?) a month late and several dollars short.  But what IS the difference between this thread and the same sequence of messages on a list, whether web4lib or others?  We still have a number of people commenting/posting, and a larger number (presumably) reading, and a larger yet number ignoring it all, even if they have an RSS feed or a list subscription.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2007/11/07/email-lists-are-they-last-century/comment-page-1/#comment-100289</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna, it sounds as if lists still work well for broadcast, or for specialized uses. On this I agree wholeheartedly. I recently started a very-small-group list, and there really wouldn&#039;t be any other way to communicate. I am sensing that the day of the multi-thousand-member &quot;discussion&quot; list is nearing its end, though like most technologies, if it works for the right critical mass it won&#039;t go away for a while.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna, it sounds as if lists still work well for broadcast, or for specialized uses. On this I agree wholeheartedly. I recently started a very-small-group list, and there really wouldn&#8217;t be any other way to communicate. I am sensing that the day of the multi-thousand-member &#8220;discussion&#8221; list is nearing its end, though like most technologies, if it works for the right critical mass it won&#8217;t go away for a while.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna Creech</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna Creech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t read email discussion lists as fervently as I did in the 90s and earlier in this decade. With the blogging librarian boom and social networking explosion, I found I had less time for &quot;boring&quot; listserv discussions.  There are a few I still find interesting and useful, such as SERIALST, but for the most part, messages sit unread for months until I finally delete them.

The use and usefulness of listservs verses some other tool came up many times in discussions about contracting for a new webhosting service for a professional organization in which I am a member.  The committees and the executive board do almost all of their communication via email listserv technology, and almost everyone agreed that they would rather have something that pushed messages out to interested parties than having to pull them from somewhere like a forum, wiki, or other two-point-oh tech.

So, given all that, I&#039;d say that the email discussion list is a dinosaur for broad groups of people connected only by the list, but for focused groups, it&#039;s still a viable tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t read email discussion lists as fervently as I did in the 90s and earlier in this decade. With the blogging librarian boom and social networking explosion, I found I had less time for &#8220;boring&#8221; listserv discussions.  There are a few I still find interesting and useful, such as SERIALST, but for the most part, messages sit unread for months until I finally delete them.</p>
<p>The use and usefulness of listservs verses some other tool came up many times in discussions about contracting for a new webhosting service for a professional organization in which I am a member.  The committees and the executive board do almost all of their communication via email listserv technology, and almost everyone agreed that they would rather have something that pushed messages out to interested parties than having to pull them from somewhere like a forum, wiki, or other two-point-oh tech.</p>
<p>So, given all that, I&#8217;d say that the email discussion list is a dinosaur for broad groups of people connected only by the list, but for focused groups, it&#8217;s still a viable tool.</p>
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		<title>By: The Liminal Librarian &#187; Blog Archive</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Liminal Librarian &#187; Blog Archive</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 21:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] at Free Range Librarian , Karen Schneider launched a good discussion with a post on &#8220;Email lists: are they last-century?&#8221; I commented there, but have more to say here (OK, this is partially because I&#8217;m delighting in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Free Range Librarian , Karen Schneider launched a good discussion with a post on &#8220;Email lists: are they last-century?&#8221; I commented there, but have more to say here (OK, this is partially because I&#8217;m delighting in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Emily C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 19:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, can’t stand email discussion lists. Maybe it’s just how my mind works. In my mind, email is for one-to-one correspondence. Messages that are TO ME go there, and I’m almost constantly connected to my email so that I can respond to these messages efficiently. List messages gum up this process for me. They just don’t seem to belong in the same place as the rest of my email, which is far more urgent than discussion messages. I’d hate to see my “real” messages get lost among the chorus of list messages!

I understand the desire for a sort of “one stop shopping,” which is what I think a lot of listserv lovers are looking for. Go to your email account, get everything you need right there.  But for me, I like to keep correspondence separate from open discussion. But, like I said, maybe it’s just because of how my mind works and how I like to organize my life and workflow, and the kind of priority level I have to assign the different messages I get every day. . 

That said, like others who have replied here, I subscribe to the ListServs I need to. But I rarely (if ever) add my voice to the discussion. 

The thing that is too bad about the whole discussion is that I’d hate to see the discussions that go on in our profession get splintered and one-sided because one group of would-be participants is in Listserv land and the rest are all over the place using other tools. It doesn’t bode well for getting a balanced view of all sides of our professional issues into the discussions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, can’t stand email discussion lists. Maybe it’s just how my mind works. In my mind, email is for one-to-one correspondence. Messages that are TO ME go there, and I’m almost constantly connected to my email so that I can respond to these messages efficiently. List messages gum up this process for me. They just don’t seem to belong in the same place as the rest of my email, which is far more urgent than discussion messages. I’d hate to see my “real” messages get lost among the chorus of list messages!</p>
<p>I understand the desire for a sort of “one stop shopping,” which is what I think a lot of listserv lovers are looking for. Go to your email account, get everything you need right there.  But for me, I like to keep correspondence separate from open discussion. But, like I said, maybe it’s just because of how my mind works and how I like to organize my life and workflow, and the kind of priority level I have to assign the different messages I get every day. . </p>
<p>That said, like others who have replied here, I subscribe to the ListServs I need to. But I rarely (if ever) add my voice to the discussion. </p>
<p>The thing that is too bad about the whole discussion is that I’d hate to see the discussions that go on in our profession get splintered and one-sided because one group of would-be participants is in Listserv land and the rest are all over the place using other tools. It doesn’t bode well for getting a balanced view of all sides of our professional issues into the discussions.</p>
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		<title>By: lauren</title>
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		<dc:creator>lauren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 04:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really like email for personal communication that either needs more documentation or more detail, but I really don&#039;t like discussion lists.  I subscribe to a bunch, mostly because I don&#039;t want to miss anything. However, I filter them to a folder, and only look at them once a week.  As far as communication tools that I really do use: I keep Twitter up most of the time, and go through my RSS reader several times a day.  I check into Facebook maybe once per day, and mostly if I get an emailed message that someone has done something with my profile.  I keep instant messaging up all day (through Meebo), but don&#039;t really do much communicating with that.  It&#039;s just another available channel.  I can&#039;t stand the phone but will use it with folks who prefer that to all other options. FWIW!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really like email for personal communication that either needs more documentation or more detail, but I really don&#8217;t like discussion lists.  I subscribe to a bunch, mostly because I don&#8217;t want to miss anything. However, I filter them to a folder, and only look at them once a week.  As far as communication tools that I really do use: I keep Twitter up most of the time, and go through my RSS reader several times a day.  I check into Facebook maybe once per day, and mostly if I get an emailed message that someone has done something with my profile.  I keep instant messaging up all day (through Meebo), but don&#8217;t really do much communicating with that.  It&#8217;s just another available channel.  I can&#8217;t stand the phone but will use it with folks who prefer that to all other options. FWIW!</p>
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		<title>By: Dale</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 03:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Age: 46

Email lists subscribed to:  7 (&quot;own&quot; 2 library ones, subscribe to 3 other library ones, 1 church, 1 dog-breed)

Ning account/forum: 1 (which I quit reading as I never quite understood the format)

Facebook: 1 account, 1 library group, a lot of fun

Blog:  see link above

All serve different purposes, I think.  I would really like to move the two lists I &quot;own&quot; to Facebook, but the list subscribers (about 150--these are lists of small interest) don&#039;t yet equal the Facebook folks (48 total).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age: 46</p>
<p>Email lists subscribed to:  7 (&#8220;own&#8221; 2 library ones, subscribe to 3 other library ones, 1 church, 1 dog-breed)</p>
<p>Ning account/forum: 1 (which I quit reading as I never quite understood the format)</p>
<p>Facebook: 1 account, 1 library group, a lot of fun</p>
<p>Blog:  see link above</p>
<p>All serve different purposes, I think.  I would really like to move the two lists I &#8220;own&#8221; to Facebook, but the list subscribers (about 150&#8211;these are lists of small interest) don&#8217;t yet equal the Facebook folks (48 total).</p>
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		<title>By: Natalie Stephens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natalie Stephens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 00:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At this point my experience with email listservs is through my program (2nd year MLIS at UW&#039;s iSchool), and they do look archaic to me. I have rules for handling my email so I don&#039;t get overwhelmed by new messages, but it does come across as a format that could be more rich but isn&#039;t. 

I&#039;ve seen two types of listservs: administrative, almost exclusively announcements with rather low conversation among the members; and social, with lots of conversation, inside jokes, and personalities come through. On the social front, I think a fair amount of social apps facilitate activity better than on listservs and provide a richer experience for those involved. But in my setting, us students have time bounds to our membership that seem not to agree with how most social software networks are set up.

My biggest personal gripe with listservs is that members have to consciously edit their replies so that long trains of quoted text don&#039;t follow their posts. I suppose this contributes to listservs looking clunky.

In looking over comments here, the question almost reminds me of battles over instant messaging clients, where you want all your friends to roll over to your client of choice. Seems like attempts to port a listserv over to some social app would find similar difficulties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At this point my experience with email listservs is through my program (2nd year MLIS at UW&#8217;s iSchool), and they do look archaic to me. I have rules for handling my email so I don&#8217;t get overwhelmed by new messages, but it does come across as a format that could be more rich but isn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen two types of listservs: administrative, almost exclusively announcements with rather low conversation among the members; and social, with lots of conversation, inside jokes, and personalities come through. On the social front, I think a fair amount of social apps facilitate activity better than on listservs and provide a richer experience for those involved. But in my setting, us students have time bounds to our membership that seem not to agree with how most social software networks are set up.</p>
<p>My biggest personal gripe with listservs is that members have to consciously edit their replies so that long trains of quoted text don&#8217;t follow their posts. I suppose this contributes to listservs looking clunky.</p>
<p>In looking over comments here, the question almost reminds me of battles over instant messaging clients, where you want all your friends to roll over to your client of choice. Seems like attempts to port a listserv over to some social app would find similar difficulties.</p>
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