Comments on: Movers and Shakers and Candlestick Makers http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/ K.G. Schneider's blog on librarianship, writing, and everything else Fri, 10 Feb 2012 17:59:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196646 K.G. Schneider Thu, 20 Mar 2008 21:24:15 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196646 Pete, not a biggy... I do think lives and careers are more circular and rippled than most of our culture recognizes. Pete, not a biggy… I do think lives and careers are more circular and rippled than most of our culture recognizes.

]]> By: Peter Bromberg http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196503 Peter Bromberg Thu, 20 Mar 2008 14:13:23 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196503 Hi Karen, Hmm.. I didn't think I was putting anyone in any box. Don't disagree with what you're saying, but not clear about what in my comments you're hearing as box-in-people-putting. I did wake up this morning thinking that "status" was the wrong word (I knew that when I typed it, but didn't know what the right word was.) After a night's sleep, I think I was looking for "accomplishment-wise" rather than "status-wise". To distill: Lots of amazing people doing amazing stuff might not get formally honored in any given year for reasons that have nothing to do with how amazing they are. And that's all I have to say about that. Hi Karen, Hmm.. I didn’t think I was putting anyone in any box. Don’t disagree with what you’re saying, but not clear about what in my comments you’re hearing as box-in-people-putting.

I did wake up this morning thinking that “status” was the wrong word (I knew that when I typed it, but didn’t know what the right word was.) After a night’s sleep, I think I was looking for “accomplishment-wise” rather than “status-wise”.

To distill: Lots of amazing people doing amazing stuff might not get formally honored in any given year for reasons that have nothing to do with how amazing they are.

And that’s all I have to say about that.

]]> By: Max http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196230 Max Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:47:22 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196230 Love this post KGS. I really like this section of your post relating to buffing up the c.v. It's so important to work in a place where you enjoy what you do and hopefully enjoy the people you work with... I remember after I started at SOLIworld, one of my co-workers said I would lose my jolliness and become bitter like the rest after 6 months. 1 1/2 years later she was confused as to why I was not bitter yet. It's been 5 years at the moment - and I will say I'm not bitter! However my feelings toward MPOW and my job are very different than when I first started. 'Nuff said. Love this post KGS. I really like this section of your post relating to buffing up the c.v. It’s so important to work in a place where you enjoy what you do and hopefully enjoy the people you work with… I remember after I started at SOLIworld, one of my co-workers said I would lose my jolliness and become bitter like the rest after 6 months. 1 1/2 years later she was confused as to why I was not bitter yet. It’s been 5 years at the moment – and I will say I’m not bitter! However my feelings toward MPOW and my job are very different than when I first started. ‘Nuff said.

]]> By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196217 K.G. Schneider Thu, 20 Mar 2008 00:11:26 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196217 Or the sparkly pink dresses! let's not forget the sparkly pink dresses! Or the sparkly pink dresses! let’s not forget the sparkly pink dresses!

]]> By: The LL http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196208 The LL Wed, 19 Mar 2008 23:54:54 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196208 Hello Ms. KG, Thanks for bringing up this issue. What I want to know is: when will they give out a M&S award to snarky librarian bloggers? I believe I have not been acknowledged for the smirking, eye-rolling factor I have brought to the profession. --The LL Hello Ms. KG,

Thanks for bringing up this issue. What I want to know is: when will they give out a M&S award to snarky librarian bloggers? I believe I have not been acknowledged for the smirking, eye-rolling factor I have brought to the profession.

–The LL

]]> By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196192 K.G. Schneider Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:57:47 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196192 Well, but: I think the folks I listed are doing stuff that's fresh and cool at the moving-shaking level. They may have long careers with all kinds of responsibilities (though Jeremy is young, and so are the Evergreen people!) but they're again in a phase of their worklife where they really are movin' and shakin'. Don't be puttin' people in no boxes, Mr. Pete ;-) Well, but: I think the folks I listed are doing stuff that’s fresh and cool at the moving-shaking level. They may have long careers with all kinds of responsibilities (though Jeremy is young, and so are the Evergreen people!) but they’re again in a phase of their worklife where they really are movin’ and shakin’. Don’t be puttin’ people in no boxes, Mr. Pete ;-)

]]> By: Peter Bromberg http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196186 Peter Bromberg Wed, 19 Mar 2008 22:29:06 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196186 Thanks for the nod Karen :-) Yow! It's been almost 11 years since our days at the EPA. We must have both been 15 when we worked there ;-) I left some comments over at Info. Wants to Be Free that I think are relevant to your post, so here they are (slightly edited): There are so many people who deserve recognition, and I think some of them (and Karen I'd put you squarely in this category) might not be nominated or selected because people perceive them as already beyond the mover/shaker level. I don't mean that age-wise, I mean that status-wise. For example, Leslie Burger is certainly a mover/shaker, but who would think to nominate her? (And wouldn’t we all be surprised to see her chosen?) One other comment about the selection process (based on my assumptions from other selection processes I’ve been directly involved in.) It’s not just about who’s “the best”. It’s also about having a diverse group of people who are doing different things. If you’re moving and shaking by doing cool things with technology, but have the bad luck of being nominated in a year when 20 other cool people are doing cool things with technology, you might get passed over for someone doing cool things with community building. Try again next year, when the mix may be different, and the likelihood of being selected after repeated nominations is in your favor. Thanks again for the shout out. It means a lot to me :-) Thanks for the nod Karen :-) Yow! It’s been almost 11 years since our days at the EPA. We must have both been 15 when we worked there ;-)

I left some comments over at Info. Wants to Be Free that I think are relevant to your post, so here they are (slightly edited):

There are so many people who deserve recognition, and I think some of them (and Karen I’d put you squarely in this category) might not be nominated or selected because people perceive them as already beyond the mover/shaker level. I don’t mean that age-wise, I mean that status-wise. For example, Leslie Burger is certainly a mover/shaker, but who would think to nominate her? (And wouldn’t we all be surprised to see her chosen?)

One other comment about the selection process (based on my assumptions from other selection processes I’ve been directly involved in.) It’s not just about who’s “the best”. It’s also about having a diverse group of people who are doing different things. If you’re moving and shaking by doing cool things with technology, but have the bad luck of being nominated in a year when 20 other cool people are doing cool things with technology, you might get passed over for someone doing cool things with community building. Try again next year, when the mix may be different, and the likelihood of being selected after repeated nominations is in your favor.

Thanks again for the shout out. It means a lot to me :-)

]]> By: Ryan Deschamps http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-196038 Ryan Deschamps Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:16:18 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-196038 You continue to move and shake the library world. You don't need to fish for anyone to come to that conclusion. Of course, if "Move and Shake" does mean "up and come" , then the problem is that you've been moving and shaking for too long. The fish don't understand that they are wet, I guess. (how's that for a mixed-up metaphor?) The Tim Spalding recommend is a work of genius, "But He's Not an MLIS" people be damned. Truth is he's done some librarian-ish things better than any MLIS did. Give me a do-er over a degree-er any day. You continue to move and shake the library world. You don’t need to fish for anyone to come to that conclusion. Of course, if “Move and Shake” does mean “up and come” , then the problem is that you’ve been moving and shaking for too long.

The fish don’t understand that they are wet, I guess. (how’s that for a mixed-up metaphor?)

The Tim Spalding recommend is a work of genius, “But He’s Not an MLIS” people be damned. Truth is he’s done some librarian-ish things better than any MLIS did. Give me a do-er over a degree-er any day.

]]> By: Connie Crosby http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/comment-page-1/#comment-195995 Connie Crosby Wed, 19 Mar 2008 13:07:08 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/03/19/movers-and-shakers-and-candlestick-makers/#comment-195995 KG: Thanks for your great discussion. And glad you found my list helpful. It took me a while to clue in that "movers and shakers" is meant to be "up and coming", something I wish they would explain in the introduction. As you say, there are so many talented librarians out there it is a challenge to honor them all. I'm sure you would have been honored if the timing had been better. ;-) Cheers, Connie KG:

Thanks for your great discussion. And glad you found my list helpful.

It took me a while to clue in that “movers and shakers” is meant to be “up and coming”, something I wish they would explain in the introduction.

As you say, there are so many talented librarians out there it is a challenge to honor them all.

I’m sure you would have been honored if the timing had been better. ;-)

Cheers,
Connie

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