Comments on: Ebony and Ivory: Tagging and Taxonomies http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/ K.G. Schneider's blog on librarianship, writing, and everything else, since 2003. Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:38:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-369862 K.G. Schneider Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:33:10 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-369862 Susan, thanks -- I love that delicious set. It says worlds about all the good things about all of us! Susan, thanks — I love that delicious set. It says worlds about all the good things about all of us!

]]> By: Susan http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-369770 Susan Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:54:55 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-369770 I'm laughing! While the delicious account we set up for our library learning 2.0 program isn't as pretty as Assumptions, it is a start in what I consider the right direction. http:delicious/acl20 I’m laughing! While the delicious account we set up for our library learning 2.0 program isn’t as pretty as Assumptions, it is a start in what I consider the right direction. http:delicious/acl20

]]> By: johnmiedema.ca » Blog Archive » One Big Library? Catalogue? Community? The Energy Generation Model of Cataloguing http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-279228 johnmiedema.ca » Blog Archive » One Big Library? Catalogue? Community? The Energy Generation Model of Cataloguing Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:23:51 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-279228 [...] is not so different from the concept of pace layering, discussed by Morville regarding tagging, and recently discussed by K.G. Schneider at The Free Range Librarian. Local and global cataloguing would be “federated” in the library search system so that [...] [...] is not so different from the concept of pace layering, discussed by Morville regarding tagging, and recently discussed by K.G. Schneider at The Free Range Librarian. Local and global cataloguing would be “federated” in the library search system so that [...]

]]> By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-257435 K.G. Schneider Fri, 30 May 2008 00:13:46 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-257435 Oh, I get ya! Absolutely. Taxonomies are good things. Our systems will also always benefit from a dose of commonsense human review and oversight and judgment. (For some reason I'm reminded of the year Comcast set its clock back a week early... just because a machine did it didn't make it right!) Oh, I get ya! Absolutely. Taxonomies are good things. Our systems will also always benefit from a dose of commonsense human review and oversight and judgment. (For some reason I’m reminded of the year Comcast set its clock back a week early… just because a machine did it didn’t make it right!)

]]> By: Linda http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-257165 Linda Thu, 29 May 2008 14:51:13 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-257165 Yes, I know. She was enjoying the laugh not at you, or the posting, but after hearing a lot of dire talk about the death of taxonomy, and its irrelevance. Yes, I know. She was enjoying the laugh not at you, or the posting, but after hearing a lot of dire talk about the death of taxonomy, and its irrelevance.

]]> By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-257148 K.G. Schneider Thu, 29 May 2008 14:17:09 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-257148 Linda, can you clarify what you and your cataloger friend laughed at? This post was very taxonomy-friendly, so I'm missing your point. Linda, can you clarify what you and your cataloger friend laughed at? This post was very taxonomy-friendly, so I’m missing your point.

]]> By: Linda http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-257129 Linda Thu, 29 May 2008 14:00:58 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-257129 Well, duh. This is pretty predictable: 1) when some foundation of traditional librarianship is attacked as too out of touch, we as a profession rush to accept our ineptness and outdatedness without a dissenting whimper. 2) Library administrators pretty much go with the faddish flow, especially the ones who haven't cataloged or worked a reference desk in about 1,000 years. 3) Defenders of traditional practices are shamed into silence, until it is re-discovered that we were thinking inside the box because the box serves a useful purpose. 4) If we are lucky, there comes some critical assesment of all practices, traditional or new, and new practices that are actually useful are added to the flow. I sent your posting to a cataloger I work with, and she did have a good laugh. Well, duh. This is pretty predictable: 1) when some foundation of traditional librarianship is attacked as too out of touch, we as a profession rush to accept our ineptness and outdatedness without a dissenting whimper. 2) Library administrators pretty much go with the faddish flow, especially the ones who haven’t cataloged or worked a reference desk in about 1,000 years. 3) Defenders of traditional practices are shamed into silence, until it is re-discovered that we were thinking inside the box because the box serves a useful purpose. 4) If we are lucky, there comes some critical assesment of all practices, traditional or new, and new practices that are actually useful are added to the flow. I sent your posting to a cataloger I work with, and she did have a good laugh.

]]> By: K.G. Schneider http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-252966 K.G. Schneider Thu, 22 May 2008 18:30:35 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-252966 A horse is a horse, of course of course! I agree on making machines work for us, though Peter Morville said at IA Summit what Steve Mitchell of Infomine and I have said for ages, which is that a bit of human processing on top of machine-generated semantics can work wonders. It's an excellent "both-and" relationship. A horse is a horse, of course of course!

I agree on making machines work for us, though Peter Morville said at IA Summit what Steve Mitchell of Infomine and I have said for ages, which is that a bit of human processing on top of machine-generated semantics can work wonders. It’s an excellent “both-and” relationship.

]]> By: Jonathan Blackburn http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-252965 Jonathan Blackburn Thu, 22 May 2008 18:27:20 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-252965 oops, 2 "of courses" in that middle sentence . . . sorry typing quite fast. oops, 2 “of courses” in that middle sentence . . . sorry typing quite fast.

]]> By: Jonathan Blackburn http://freerangelibrarian.com/2008/05/21/ebony-and-ivory-tagging-and-taxonomies/#comment-252964 Jonathan Blackburn Thu, 22 May 2008 18:26:30 +0000 http://freerangelibrarian.com/?p=1520#comment-252964 Okay, a bit late responding, but I just have to say kudos on a great post . . . I love the idea of a "hybrid metadata ecology." Of course, we should not forget, of course, the rising trend of "machine tagging", e.g. Calais (http://www.opencalais.com/), or of the various semantic technologies that are making headway in this arena. After all, the 2 are not mutually exclusive: http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2007/09/hyperdata.html Okay, a bit late responding, but I just have to say kudos on a great post . . . I love the idea of a “hybrid metadata ecology.”

Of course, we should not forget, of course, the rising trend of “machine tagging”, e.g. Calais (http://www.opencalais.com/), or of the various semantic technologies that are making headway in this arena.

After all, the 2 are not mutually exclusive: http://novaspivack.typepad.com/nova_spivacks_weblog/2007/09/hyperdata.html

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