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	<title>Comments on: Why are gay folks so patient?</title>
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		<title>By: Amy Ranger</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/05/26/why-are-gay-folks-so-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-473201</link>
		<dc:creator>Amy Ranger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speak for yourself, babe. No one has ever called me patient! We routinely scream at the TV and email our congress-people. I thought Cheney was a total jerk for suggesting that gay marriage should come down to state-by-state options. If that were possible, I&#039;d sponsor a ballot initiative to outlaw fat old white guys who can&#039;t hit the broadside on a barn with their own gun from stepping foot in my state... but I digress.

Let me conclude by saying that lately I&#039;ve been humming the music to Marat/Sade a lot; especially the refrain &quot;We want our rights, and we don&#039;t care how... we want our revolution now.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speak for yourself, babe. No one has ever called me patient! We routinely scream at the TV and email our congress-people. I thought Cheney was a total jerk for suggesting that gay marriage should come down to state-by-state options. If that were possible, I&#8217;d sponsor a ballot initiative to outlaw fat old white guys who can&#8217;t hit the broadside on a barn with their own gun from stepping foot in my state&#8230; but I digress.</p>
<p>Let me conclude by saying that lately I&#8217;ve been humming the music to Marat/Sade a lot; especially the refrain &#8220;We want our rights, and we don&#8217;t care how&#8230; we want our revolution now.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Bobkoff</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/05/26/why-are-gay-folks-so-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-470580</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam Bobkoff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 23:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have friends in Southern California who married during the window of legality last year. Their marriage stands (so far), but they fight on for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have friends in Southern California who married during the window of legality last year. Their marriage stands (so far), but they fight on for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/05/26/why-are-gay-folks-so-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-470152</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An excellent question!

I consider myself to be patient to the extent that I know (after being out and politically active for 35+ of my 85 years) how the processes of social and political change work.

I&#039;m not at all patient when I hear LGBT people (especially my... pardon the expression... IDIOT Republican gay couple neighbors) claim either that it&#039;s not necessary or that it&#039;s too dangerous to be out and to demand civil rights.

I was out to staff on my job in a medium/max men&#039;s prison for 12 years, and I&#039;m still alive.

I can be out on the street.

And I can spam my Congressmen every time they drag ass, and I can tell everyone I know WHY this is not about sex or religion but about Constitutional rights.

BTW, when I glance at your URL, I occasionally see peripherally as Freer Angel Iberian. A secret identity, perhaps?

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellent question!</p>
<p>I consider myself to be patient to the extent that I know (after being out and politically active for 35+ of my 85 years) how the processes of social and political change work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not at all patient when I hear LGBT people (especially my&#8230; pardon the expression&#8230; IDIOT Republican gay couple neighbors) claim either that it&#8217;s not necessary or that it&#8217;s too dangerous to be out and to demand civil rights.</p>
<p>I was out to staff on my job in a medium/max men&#8217;s prison for 12 years, and I&#8217;m still alive.</p>
<p>I can be out on the street.</p>
<p>And I can spam my Congressmen every time they drag ass, and I can tell everyone I know WHY this is not about sex or religion but about Constitutional rights.</p>
<p>BTW, when I glance at your URL, I occasionally see peripherally as Freer Angel Iberian. A secret identity, perhaps?</p>
<p> <img src='http://freerangelibrarian.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maia Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/05/26/why-are-gay-folks-so-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-469957</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 02:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it patience? Or exhasperation, or exhaustion? It stymies me that the issue of equal rights for all is still on the table, as though it were somehow negotiable. 

But this isn&#039;t just a legal battle, as much as we might like it to be. As we peek into the fear-mongering tactics of zealots, we have to acknowledge the real fear that some people feel: that acknowledging homosexual rights is a travesty unto their God. This goes beyond simple legal arguments; you cannot just move people away from their religious (or moral, but it&#039;s the same roots) beliefs with simple logic. Until people see that their hatred and fear are the real insult to their God, it will be difficult to move them towards a more just and balanced world.

California needs a Constitution Convention and I&#039;m glad there&#039;s now movement in that direction. Even if the issue of gay marriage is ultimately left off that table, how our constitution may be changed won&#039;t be, laying the necessary groundwork for permanent change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it patience? Or exhasperation, or exhaustion? It stymies me that the issue of equal rights for all is still on the table, as though it were somehow negotiable. </p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t just a legal battle, as much as we might like it to be. As we peek into the fear-mongering tactics of zealots, we have to acknowledge the real fear that some people feel: that acknowledging homosexual rights is a travesty unto their God. This goes beyond simple legal arguments; you cannot just move people away from their religious (or moral, but it&#8217;s the same roots) beliefs with simple logic. Until people see that their hatred and fear are the real insult to their God, it will be difficult to move them towards a more just and balanced world.</p>
<p>California needs a Constitution Convention and I&#8217;m glad there&#8217;s now movement in that direction. Even if the issue of gay marriage is ultimately left off that table, how our constitution may be changed won&#8217;t be, laying the necessary groundwork for permanent change.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Gough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Gough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 11:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post and those of others recently in reaction to the Prop 8 brouhaha reminds me of my favorite placard carried by someone in a protest march that appears for a split-second in a Meg Christian music video I stumbled across on FaceBook somewhere: &quot;Hey, I didn&#039;t get to vote on YOUR marriage!&quot;

I understand John&#039;s point that, relative to other disparaged groups of humans, our tribe has made considerable progress in a short time for equal rights; I also believe that we&#039;re all going to be chagrined and perhaps somewhat ashamed, later on down the line, that we didn&#039;t insist on those rights more vehemently.

In the meantime, every well-articulated, widely-circulated comment/argument/anecdote/slogan helps push this particular envelope, so thanks for blogging so eloquently (again) on this topic (instead of deciding not to).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post and those of others recently in reaction to the Prop 8 brouhaha reminds me of my favorite placard carried by someone in a protest march that appears for a split-second in a Meg Christian music video I stumbled across on FaceBook somewhere: &#8220;Hey, I didn&#8217;t get to vote on YOUR marriage!&#8221;</p>
<p>I understand John&#8217;s point that, relative to other disparaged groups of humans, our tribe has made considerable progress in a short time for equal rights; I also believe that we&#8217;re all going to be chagrined and perhaps somewhat ashamed, later on down the line, that we didn&#8217;t insist on those rights more vehemently.</p>
<p>In the meantime, every well-articulated, widely-circulated comment/argument/anecdote/slogan helps push this particular envelope, so thanks for blogging so eloquently (again) on this topic (instead of deciding not to).</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say we&#039;re being patient any more. We *were* patient for so long because we lived in fear (and many still do). Now that we&#039;ve achieved mainstream acceptance, we can point to marriage equality as a civil rights issue. It wasn&#039;t even on our horizon 20 years ago. It&#039;s time now, the world is ready, and we have momentum. I&#039;m frustrated by the Prop 8 decision this week, but it&#039;s just a bump in the road. We&#039;ve made great progress this year! Let&#039;s not forget that! Thank you, Iowa!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I&#8217;d say we&#8217;re being patient any more. We *were* patient for so long because we lived in fear (and many still do). Now that we&#8217;ve achieved mainstream acceptance, we can point to marriage equality as a civil rights issue. It wasn&#8217;t even on our horizon 20 years ago. It&#8217;s time now, the world is ready, and we have momentum. I&#8217;m frustrated by the Prop 8 decision this week, but it&#8217;s just a bump in the road. We&#8217;ve made great progress this year! Let&#8217;s not forget that! Thank you, Iowa!</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 20:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Considering that homosexuality was considered a mental illness a generation ago, and was illegal two generations ago, and these laws were strictly enforced three generations ago, the acceptance of homosexuality in the West has been amazingly rapid -- far more so than, say, African-Americans or women. I can&#039;t think of any other minority class in Western history that has socially advanced so rapidly.  Think of the progress that has been made -- it&#039;s simply unprecedented.  Homosexuality has gone from almost universally ostracized throughout history, to the point where gay marriage is being debated in civil society.

There&#039;s a limit to how much change a society is capable of undertaking in such a short period of time.  Cultures don&#039;t turn on a dime.

I&#039;m sure, though, that&#039;s no consolation to the individual homosexual citizen now, who doesn&#039;t want to wait two or more generations for legalized marriage, but wants it for him/herself &lt;i&gt;now&lt;/i&gt;.  If I were gay, I&#039;d be furious that I couldn&#039;t have full civil liberties immediately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Considering that homosexuality was considered a mental illness a generation ago, and was illegal two generations ago, and these laws were strictly enforced three generations ago, the acceptance of homosexuality in the West has been amazingly rapid &#8212; far more so than, say, African-Americans or women. I can&#8217;t think of any other minority class in Western history that has socially advanced so rapidly.  Think of the progress that has been made &#8212; it&#8217;s simply unprecedented.  Homosexuality has gone from almost universally ostracized throughout history, to the point where gay marriage is being debated in civil society.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a limit to how much change a society is capable of undertaking in such a short period of time.  Cultures don&#8217;t turn on a dime.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure, though, that&#8217;s no consolation to the individual homosexual citizen now, who doesn&#8217;t want to wait two or more generations for legalized marriage, but wants it for him/herself <i>now</i>.  If I were gay, I&#8217;d be furious that I couldn&#8217;t have full civil liberties immediately.</p>
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		<title>By: libraryguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>libraryguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 14:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope not</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope not</p>
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		<title>By: Brooke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brooke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 23:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it patience or fear of an ugly, violent fight? Thanks for speaking out on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it patience or fear of an ugly, violent fight? Thanks for speaking out on it.</p>
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		<title>By: George Duimovich</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/05/26/why-are-gay-folks-so-patient/comment-page-1/#comment-469264</link>
		<dc:creator>George Duimovich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 20:57:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And ditto for straight folks too. 

Everyone being too patient on this basic issue!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And ditto for straight folks too. </p>
<p>Everyone being too patient on this basic issue!</p>
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