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	<title>Comments on: Amazon, Kindle, and Orwell: Horse, Meet the Barn Door</title>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-841082</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2012 16:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey there, I remember you! I am just catching up. Thanks for your comments about ebooks. That director sounds like a good person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey there, I remember you! I am just catching up. Thanks for your comments about ebooks. That director sounds like a good person.</p>
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		<title>By: c. burns</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-836141</link>
		<dc:creator>c. burns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Apr 2012 01:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Karen.  I&#039;ve talked with you on the phone once in 2009 when I was a library student at FSU and the Goldstein Library.  
(I&#039;m now in South Florida -- unfort. not employed in a library, but I do volunteer in one, Lantana Public Library.)

I just came across this post of yours. I just had a conversation with the Library Director where I volunteer. So, I thought I&#039;d share some of my conversation with him here with you!

We talked, sure enough, about how publishers are seldom comfortable with a cornerstone mission of libraries, which is for readers/the public to be able to access to books and materials at no or minimal cost. Publishers are uneasy with accessible e-books to library patrons, thinking that patrons/people then won&#039;t go out and buy books as a result. Publishers are profit driven. 
My Library Director and I also talked about the inevitable increase in prices on e-books as capitalism pure and simple.  The Director thought Apple and more likely Amazon will monopolize the e-book industry and even books to such an extent that they will eventually set prices. He wondered if people in the future will be paying prices for e-books that aren&#039;t all that significantly cheaper in price than monograph books. 

Moreover, he reminded me again that people forget that with e-books, readers do not own the book as they would, say, a paper/hardback book purchased in a bookstore.  People may not realize that the e-book version of a book may be quite different than the published monograph hard copy one -- the e-book is often stripped down without illustration, unique fonts, and so forth.
Also my Library Director reminded me that people can&#039;t turn around and sell an e-book or mark it up, or even donate it.  Sure, they can borrow an e-book perhaps at a library, but unless they loan their entire Kindle or IPAD reader to someone else, they simply can&#039;t &quot;loan&quot; the e-book on its own. 
Is it possible e-book reading really shares a kind of use that is more akin to watching TV (or perhaps watching a TIVO recorded show)? I&#039;m beginning to think so.

Which brings me to those interesting quotes in your blog: that &quot;Books are socially and legally situated.”  Yes indeed -- I&#039;m beginning to see how.
 
And your quote: &quot;E-books are disruptive in ways we can barely comprehend.&quot;  How very true!  Thanks for your interesting blog post, Karen!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Karen.  I&#8217;ve talked with you on the phone once in 2009 when I was a library student at FSU and the Goldstein Library.<br />
(I&#8217;m now in South Florida &#8212; unfort. not employed in a library, but I do volunteer in one, Lantana Public Library.)</p>
<p>I just came across this post of yours. I just had a conversation with the Library Director where I volunteer. So, I thought I&#8217;d share some of my conversation with him here with you!</p>
<p>We talked, sure enough, about how publishers are seldom comfortable with a cornerstone mission of libraries, which is for readers/the public to be able to access to books and materials at no or minimal cost. Publishers are uneasy with accessible e-books to library patrons, thinking that patrons/people then won&#8217;t go out and buy books as a result. Publishers are profit driven.<br />
My Library Director and I also talked about the inevitable increase in prices on e-books as capitalism pure and simple.  The Director thought Apple and more likely Amazon will monopolize the e-book industry and even books to such an extent that they will eventually set prices. He wondered if people in the future will be paying prices for e-books that aren&#8217;t all that significantly cheaper in price than monograph books. </p>
<p>Moreover, he reminded me again that people forget that with e-books, readers do not own the book as they would, say, a paper/hardback book purchased in a bookstore.  People may not realize that the e-book version of a book may be quite different than the published monograph hard copy one &#8212; the e-book is often stripped down without illustration, unique fonts, and so forth.<br />
Also my Library Director reminded me that people can&#8217;t turn around and sell an e-book or mark it up, or even donate it.  Sure, they can borrow an e-book perhaps at a library, but unless they loan their entire Kindle or IPAD reader to someone else, they simply can&#8217;t &#8220;loan&#8221; the e-book on its own.<br />
Is it possible e-book reading really shares a kind of use that is more akin to watching TV (or perhaps watching a TIVO recorded show)? I&#8217;m beginning to think so.</p>
<p>Which brings me to those interesting quotes in your blog: that &#8220;Books are socially and legally situated.”  Yes indeed &#8212; I&#8217;m beginning to see how.</p>
<p>And your quote: &#8220;E-books are disruptive in ways we can barely comprehend.&#8221;  How very true!  Thanks for your interesting blog post, Karen!</p>
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		<title>By: The 541 diary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The last to know? 1984 in practice</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-567325</link>
		<dc:creator>The 541 diary &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The last to know? 1984 in practice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Mar 2010 01:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in licensing electronic content and allowing a third party to control access to it. Karen Schneider puts it well: &#8220;What we are learning is that the same technology that makes a book conveniently [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Maia</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-494442</link>
		<dc:creator>Maia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 02:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciated this piece. I cannot (or will not) read from electronica; I need to feel paper between my fingers, to dog ear the pages and scribble in the margins. But more important is the threat I perceive to the value and stewardship of our literature in future generations. It&#039;s not enough to waive one&#039;s hands and say &quot;the future is electronic, and that&#039;s the way it is;&quot; we must stop and consider the consequences of lost heritage, culture and wisdom from lost volumes.
Keep up the great work, Karen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciated this piece. I cannot (or will not) read from electronica; I need to feel paper between my fingers, to dog ear the pages and scribble in the margins. But more important is the threat I perceive to the value and stewardship of our literature in future generations. It&#8217;s not enough to waive one&#8217;s hands and say &#8220;the future is electronic, and that&#8217;s the way it is;&#8221; we must stop and consider the consequences of lost heritage, culture and wisdom from lost volumes.<br />
Keep up the great work, Karen.</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Gray</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-484344</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Gray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Jul 2009 14:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the world is going digital at a very pace. The future of the library system is going to be interesting in following. I enjoy following mobipocket that allows you to download directly to you pc or to a PDA. My latest novella is listed there and it is doing well. 
I just found this site and have added it to my bloglist on my site.
Beth Gray</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the world is going digital at a very pace. The future of the library system is going to be interesting in following. I enjoy following mobipocket that allows you to download directly to you pc or to a PDA. My latest novella is listed there and it is doing well.<br />
I just found this site and have added it to my bloglist on my site.<br />
Beth Gray</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam B.</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-484119</link>
		<dc:creator>Miriam B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The title of this post is one of my all-time favorite titles. So I don&#039;t mind seeing it on top every time I stop in to see if there&#039;s a new post... (I don&#039;t use RSS feeds, that&#039;s a bit of communication awareness that just didn&#039;t stick on me.)(Now tweets work a treat...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The title of this post is one of my all-time favorite titles. So I don&#8217;t mind seeing it on top every time I stop in to see if there&#8217;s a new post&#8230; (I don&#8217;t use RSS feeds, that&#8217;s a bit of communication awareness that just didn&#8217;t stick on me.)(Now tweets work a treat&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: lu</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-482677</link>
		<dc:creator>lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 04:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just rereading the comments, Jon Gorman makes a good point: 

&quot;Of course, I’m not sure if that’s actually what happened in this case. Sounds more like a misunderstanding and the publishing company either didn’t realize the book was available as a kindle book or realized that they weren’t allowed to do that and started trying to backtrack.&quot;

If these books are available at Project Gutenberg, chances are the Publisher had no right to be making money off the title in the way they were (i know nothing about this side of things), perhaps they were charging too much or... who knows, and they were required not to make money from selling something they didn&#039;t own - hence the refunds. 

It makes more sense than &quot;it was a pirate copy&quot; since it is a title that is freely available as Larry Scritchfield points out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just rereading the comments, Jon Gorman makes a good point: </p>
<p>&#8220;Of course, I’m not sure if that’s actually what happened in this case. Sounds more like a misunderstanding and the publishing company either didn’t realize the book was available as a kindle book or realized that they weren’t allowed to do that and started trying to backtrack.&#8221;</p>
<p>If these books are available at Project Gutenberg, chances are the Publisher had no right to be making money off the title in the way they were (i know nothing about this side of things), perhaps they were charging too much or&#8230; who knows, and they were required not to make money from selling something they didn&#8217;t own &#8211; hence the refunds. </p>
<p>It makes more sense than &#8220;it was a pirate copy&#8221; since it is a title that is freely available as Larry Scritchfield points out.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Scritchfield</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-482152</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Scritchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 17:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Addendum to my earlier post.

The Kindle display problem lay with incorrect HTML markup at Project Gutenberg Australia, not with any inappropriate filtering on the part of Amazon.

The moderator may choose not to post either this post and the earlier one. Actually, that would be my preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to my earlier post.</p>
<p>The Kindle display problem lay with incorrect HTML markup at Project Gutenberg Australia, not with any inappropriate filtering on the part of Amazon.</p>
<p>The moderator may choose not to post either this post and the earlier one. Actually, that would be my preference.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Scritchfield</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-482133</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Scritchfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 15:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to thumb my nose at Amazon, I went to Project Gutenberg Australia to download 1984 and Animal Farm. I saved the HTML files and emailed them to my Kindle account.

The files are apparently on my Kindle, but when I attempt to view them, they are blank!

This seems to be beyond what Amazon has a right to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to thumb my nose at Amazon, I went to Project Gutenberg Australia to download 1984 and Animal Farm. I saved the HTML files and emailed them to my Kindle account.</p>
<p>The files are apparently on my Kindle, but when I attempt to view them, they are blank!</p>
<p>This seems to be beyond what Amazon has a right to do.</p>
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		<title>By: lu</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/07/18/amazon_orwell_and_kindle/comment-page-1/#comment-482025</link>
		<dc:creator>lu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this does conjure images of all copies world wide of a controversial book magically disappearing as the corporate entities of America bow down to political interest groups. 

We didn&#039;t vote Amazon in, yet they control information. 

It would be sad if, what has happened to mainstream media, was to happen to fiction. You might say it couldn&#039;t happen, that the human race has always sought a variety of sources for information, yet independent television news is all but gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this does conjure images of all copies world wide of a controversial book magically disappearing as the corporate entities of America bow down to political interest groups. </p>
<p>We didn&#8217;t vote Amazon in, yet they control information. </p>
<p>It would be sad if, what has happened to mainstream media, was to happen to fiction. You might say it couldn&#8217;t happen, that the human race has always sought a variety of sources for information, yet independent television news is all but gone.</p>
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