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	<title>Comments on: It Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership</title>
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		<title>By: more about red tape, and more about starting from scratch &#171; From the catalogs of babes</title>
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		<dc:creator>more about red tape, and more about starting from scratch &#171; From the catalogs of babes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] thought about this on and off ever since the RFP was but a twinkle in my eye, but Karen Schneider’s post about the shift from the “librarian-centric” to “developer-centric” model brought it back [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] thought about this on and off ever since the RFP was but a twinkle in my eye, but Karen Schneider’s post about the shift from the “librarian-centric” to “developer-centric” model brought it back [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lizanne Payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizanne Payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 18:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too agree 100% that vendors must responsibly &quot;figure out what the customers are actually trying to do and need, and figure out clever feasible ways of providing it&quot; just as librarians should do for library users. In my earlier life working for a library automation vendor, we often encountered cases where Library A would say &quot;This feature must always do X!&quot; and Library B would say &quot;This feature must never do X!&quot; (same feature, same X).  It is never as simple as &quot;just listen to us librarians and do what we say&quot;.

After much discussion, &quot;the developers need to figure out the best way to accomplish those goals, as feasible.

That’s how we get good products.&quot;

Yes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too agree 100% that vendors must responsibly &#8220;figure out what the customers are actually trying to do and need, and figure out clever feasible ways of providing it&#8221; just as librarians should do for library users. In my earlier life working for a library automation vendor, we often encountered cases where Library A would say &#8220;This feature must always do X!&#8221; and Library B would say &#8220;This feature must never do X!&#8221; (same feature, same X).  It is never as simple as &#8220;just listen to us librarians and do what we say&#8221;.</p>
<p>After much discussion, &#8220;the developers need to figure out the best way to accomplish those goals, as feasible.</p>
<p>That’s how we get good products.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: HotStuff 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Word of the Day: &#8220;acknowledgment&#8221;</title>
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		<dc:creator>HotStuff 2.0 &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Word of the Day: &#8220;acknowledgment&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 04:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership [web link]Free Range Librarian (18/Sep/2009)&#8220;&#8230;experiment and an honest acknowledgment that [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership [web link]Free Range Librarian (18/Sep/2009)&#8220;&#8230;experiment and an honest acknowledgment that [...]</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2009-09-19 &#171; Nur mein Standpunkt</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2009-09-19 &#171; Nur mein Standpunkt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 12:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Free Range Librarian › It Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership &quot;As I understand it, the effect of this decision on the Koha project is to “fork” the code — that is, there will now be two flavors of Koha: the free-and-open version, and the version that has the custom code. Liblime is within its legal rights to do this, but Liblime’s actions have dismayed many members of the Koha community.&quot; (tags: bibliotheken) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Free Range Librarian › It Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership &quot;As I understand it, the effect of this decision on the Koha project is to “fork” the code — that is, there will now be two flavors of Koha: the free-and-open version, and the version that has the custom code. Liblime is within its legal rights to do this, but Liblime’s actions have dismayed many members of the Koha community.&quot; (tags: bibliotheken) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Koha fork and being the change you want to see &#124; Librarians Matter</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Koha fork and being the change you want to see &#124; Librarians Matter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] highlights the role that Open Source software must play in the future of librarianship, It Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] highlights the role that Open Source software must play in the future of librarianship, It Takes a Village: Koha and open source leadership [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Koha ILS (kohails) 's status on Friday, 18-Sep-09 19:03:10 UTC - Identi.ca</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koha ILS (kohails) 's status on Friday, 18-Sep-09 19:03:10 UTC - Identi.ca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/09/18/it-takes-a-village-koha-and-open-source-leadership/        a few seconds ago  from web [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  <a href="http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/09/18/it-takes-a-village-koha-and-open-source-leadership/" rel="nofollow">http://freerangelibrarian.com/2009/09/18/it-takes-a-village-koha-and-open-source-leadership/</a>        a few seconds ago  from web [...]</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 18:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you 100%!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you 100%!</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[And I&#039;d add, in case it wasn&#039;t obvious, I think most of our traditional library sector proprietary software vendors HAVE abandoned that responsibiilty -- which is how we have ended up with hacky unsustainable software that isn&#039;t actually capable of doing what we need --- but does EXACTLY what hundreds of customers told the vendor they wanted over a decades long history. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[And I'd add, in case it wasn't obvious, I think most of our traditional library sector proprietary software vendors HAVE abandoned that responsibiilty -- which is how we have ended up with hacky unsustainable software that isn't actually capable of doing what we need --- but does EXACTLY what hundreds of customers told the vendor they wanted over a decades long history. )</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Rochkind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Rochkind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very good point. 

Now, I may be prejudiced because I&#039;m a developer -- AND I&#039;m also a librarian. So one thing I think we in library land need is more librarian-developers.  (And I don&#039;t necessarily just mean &#039;MLIS degreed&#039;, I think you can be a librarian-developer without having an MLIS). 

But also, something I&#039;ve been thinking is:

users are to the library as a whole
as: the library as a whole is to the systems dept and developers
as: the library is to it&#039;s vendors

(Put that analogy on your GRE!)

In the sense that:  We librarians as a whole are responsible for understanding user&#039;s needs and using our professional expertise to figure out clever feasible ways of meeting them. We can NOT simply let the users tell us exacty what they want and then do it without thinking -- becuase they don&#039;t know (even if they sometimes think they do -- there is LOTS of discussion in non-library contexts about how what users SAY they want isn&#039;t always what will make them most happy.)

It&#039;s an abandonment of our professional responsibility to try and do that. Similarly, vendors can&#039;t simply expect customers to spell out what they want in precise detail and then do it. That&#039;s an abandonment of the vendor&#039;s responsibility to figure out what the customers are actually trying to do and need, and figure out clever feasible ways of providing it. 

SO. Similarly, in these kind of open source collaborations, we need discussions involving librarian-developers and non-developer librarians, in which the needs and goals are figured out -- and then the developers need to figure out the best way to accomplish those goals, as feasible. 

That&#039;s how we get good products.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very good point. </p>
<p>Now, I may be prejudiced because I&#8217;m a developer &#8212; AND I&#8217;m also a librarian. So one thing I think we in library land need is more librarian-developers.  (And I don&#8217;t necessarily just mean &#8216;MLIS degreed&#8217;, I think you can be a librarian-developer without having an MLIS). </p>
<p>But also, something I&#8217;ve been thinking is:</p>
<p>users are to the library as a whole<br />
as: the library as a whole is to the systems dept and developers<br />
as: the library is to it&#8217;s vendors</p>
<p>(Put that analogy on your GRE!)</p>
<p>In the sense that:  We librarians as a whole are responsible for understanding user&#8217;s needs and using our professional expertise to figure out clever feasible ways of meeting them. We can NOT simply let the users tell us exacty what they want and then do it without thinking &#8212; becuase they don&#8217;t know (even if they sometimes think they do &#8212; there is LOTS of discussion in non-library contexts about how what users SAY they want isn&#8217;t always what will make them most happy.)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an abandonment of our professional responsibility to try and do that. Similarly, vendors can&#8217;t simply expect customers to spell out what they want in precise detail and then do it. That&#8217;s an abandonment of the vendor&#8217;s responsibility to figure out what the customers are actually trying to do and need, and figure out clever feasible ways of providing it. </p>
<p>SO. Similarly, in these kind of open source collaborations, we need discussions involving librarian-developers and non-developer librarians, in which the needs and goals are figured out &#8212; and then the developers need to figure out the best way to accomplish those goals, as feasible. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how we get good products.</p>
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