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		<title>By: The Evil Empire? &#171; WadingIn</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-620134</link>
		<dc:creator>The Evil Empire? &#171; WadingIn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 12:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and other library&#8217;s operations. Karen Schneider has posted two thoughtful commentaries (1, 2) on the suit, and I think she gets it [...]</description>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-611200</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 21:09:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When asked what the pricing model for the service was, he said that he cuts 20% off an institution’s OCLC cataloging charges. In my mind, a pretty poor answer: I may not like my OCLC fees, but they at least have some tie to my shop’s use of their services. With SkyRiver, all bets are off.&quot;

I agree. I also think it&#039;s cheesy to keep hammering OCLC on its financials if you aren&#039;t willing to open your own books. It&#039;s taking advantage of OCLC&#039;s nonprofit status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When asked what the pricing model for the service was, he said that he cuts 20% off an institution’s OCLC cataloging charges. In my mind, a pretty poor answer: I may not like my OCLC fees, but they at least have some tie to my shop’s use of their services. With SkyRiver, all bets are off.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. I also think it&#8217;s cheesy to keep hammering OCLC on its financials if you aren&#8217;t willing to open your own books. It&#8217;s taking advantage of OCLC&#8217;s nonprofit status.</p>
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		<title>By: SkyRiverSkeptic</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-611010</link>
		<dc:creator>SkyRiverSkeptic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I view this suit with deep suspicion.  OCLC does many silly things, and some downright stupid things, but they also provide many benefits to the community.  I can&#039;t offer an opinion on whether they constitute a monopoly; that&#039;s a legal issue and I&#039;m no lawyer.  But while I understand the glee some might feel in seeing OCLC get a black eye (or worse), those willing to hold SkyRiver&#039;s coat in this little fight should think carefully about what exactly it is they might get in return if OCLC ends up losing. 

Jerry Kline, III owner and SkyRiver puppetmaster, is no knight in shining armor, coming to libraries&#039; rescue by slaying the behemoth OCLC.  He&#039;s a shrewd business man with a chip on his shoulder.  He&#039;s mad as hell that OCLC is entering the ILS business.  Going after their cataloging service, still the utility&#039;s cash cow, seems fitting revenge.  But this may not be all to the good. 

I had the chance to see Kline discuss SkyRiver last fall.  I wasn&#039;t impressed.  He bristled at questions about where the records came from (in some cases, they harvest them via Z39.50 from libraries, sometimes without those libraries&#039; knowledge or permission).  He repeatedly fell back on the argument that OCLC hides behind tax laws to keep its non-profit status and that his actions were all perfectly legal.  Both claims may be true.  but they strike me as slightly underhanded, and in any case don&#039;t really constitute a basis for moving bibliographic services from the relatively open OCLC world to a closed, for-profit model of the type represented by SkyRiver.

Those familiar with III know that its business model is: charge early and often.  Believe me, any enhancements to SkyRiver&#039;s functionality will come at a significant cost.  Institutions that believe they can achieve big savings with SkyRiver are going to be disappointed in a few years&#039; time, when Kline starts upping the ante to build new features.  When asked what the pricing model for the service was, he said that he cuts 20% off an institution&#039;s OCLC cataloging charges.  In my mind, a pretty poor answer: I  may not like my OCLC fees, but they at least have some tie to my shop&#039;s use of their services. With SkyRiver, all bets are off.

I am glad to see someone challenge OCLC&#039;s hegemony.  Competition is healthy and we should all benefit from it.  I just wish it were someone other than Jerry Kline providing the competition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I view this suit with deep suspicion.  OCLC does many silly things, and some downright stupid things, but they also provide many benefits to the community.  I can&#8217;t offer an opinion on whether they constitute a monopoly; that&#8217;s a legal issue and I&#8217;m no lawyer.  But while I understand the glee some might feel in seeing OCLC get a black eye (or worse), those willing to hold SkyRiver&#8217;s coat in this little fight should think carefully about what exactly it is they might get in return if OCLC ends up losing. </p>
<p>Jerry Kline, III owner and SkyRiver puppetmaster, is no knight in shining armor, coming to libraries&#8217; rescue by slaying the behemoth OCLC.  He&#8217;s a shrewd business man with a chip on his shoulder.  He&#8217;s mad as hell that OCLC is entering the ILS business.  Going after their cataloging service, still the utility&#8217;s cash cow, seems fitting revenge.  But this may not be all to the good. </p>
<p>I had the chance to see Kline discuss SkyRiver last fall.  I wasn&#8217;t impressed.  He bristled at questions about where the records came from (in some cases, they harvest them via Z39.50 from libraries, sometimes without those libraries&#8217; knowledge or permission).  He repeatedly fell back on the argument that OCLC hides behind tax laws to keep its non-profit status and that his actions were all perfectly legal.  Both claims may be true.  but they strike me as slightly underhanded, and in any case don&#8217;t really constitute a basis for moving bibliographic services from the relatively open OCLC world to a closed, for-profit model of the type represented by SkyRiver.</p>
<p>Those familiar with III know that its business model is: charge early and often.  Believe me, any enhancements to SkyRiver&#8217;s functionality will come at a significant cost.  Institutions that believe they can achieve big savings with SkyRiver are going to be disappointed in a few years&#8217; time, when Kline starts upping the ante to build new features.  When asked what the pricing model for the service was, he said that he cuts 20% off an institution&#8217;s OCLC cataloging charges.  In my mind, a pretty poor answer: I  may not like my OCLC fees, but they at least have some tie to my shop&#8217;s use of their services. With SkyRiver, all bets are off.</p>
<p>I am glad to see someone challenge OCLC&#8217;s hegemony.  Competition is healthy and we should all benefit from it.  I just wish it were someone other than Jerry Kline providing the competition.</p>
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		<title>By: showme1946</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-610709</link>
		<dc:creator>showme1946</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 14:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please.  If I were hoping for anonymity, I would need to use a different moniker than showme1946.  I was just making the point that I believe III has a legitimate complaint.  Whether they will be able to succeed with this lawsuit is entirely another matter.  This isn&#039;t good for anyone, but, in my opinion, OCLC started it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please.  If I were hoping for anonymity, I would need to use a different moniker than showme1946.  I was just making the point that I believe III has a legitimate complaint.  Whether they will be able to succeed with this lawsuit is entirely another matter.  This isn&#8217;t good for anyone, but, in my opinion, OCLC started it.</p>
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		<title>By: Oleg Boyarsky</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-610254</link>
		<dc:creator>Oleg Boyarsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Aug 2010 11:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you make the obvious point – why did III get into bib record supply business in the first place? You discussed a good point</description>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-610007</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 21:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There we go, an anonymous commenter talking about other people&#039;s &quot;hostility.&quot; Many of us have good relations with our many vendors... vendors who are not suing OCLC. 

 showme1946&#039;s comment also implies that others do not have the right to innovate or get into &quot;the market.&quot;  I completely don&#039;t get that. III got into the market as an innovator and competitor. Isn&#039;t that the nature of invention?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There we go, an anonymous commenter talking about other people&#8217;s &#8220;hostility.&#8221; Many of us have good relations with our many vendors&#8230; vendors who are not suing OCLC. </p>
<p> showme1946&#8242;s comment also implies that others do not have the right to innovate or get into &#8220;the market.&#8221;  I completely don&#8217;t get that. III got into the market as an innovator and competitor. Isn&#8217;t that the nature of invention?</p>
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		<title>By: showme1946</title>
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		<dc:creator>showme1946</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 19:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The hostility I perceive in much of the commentary and comments about this lawsuit towards for-profit companies in general and III in particular in disturbing.  The achievement of Jerry Kline and his team in the ILS market is singular:  they began developing an ILS in 1978 and have sustained that system and its customers with continuous enhancement and evolutionary improvement ever since.

Tell me, if you had spent your career building such a business only to see it threatened the by the unwelcome intrusion into the market of a behemoth such as OCLC, a behemoth with the overwhelming leverage of Worldcat, what would you do?

The key information in the complaint is the allegation (which I think we all know is a fact) that III has lost ILS contracts because of OCLC&#039;s intrusion into the ILS market.  This is a matter of survival, and this is a battle OCLC has been inviting for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The hostility I perceive in much of the commentary and comments about this lawsuit towards for-profit companies in general and III in particular in disturbing.  The achievement of Jerry Kline and his team in the ILS market is singular:  they began developing an ILS in 1978 and have sustained that system and its customers with continuous enhancement and evolutionary improvement ever since.</p>
<p>Tell me, if you had spent your career building such a business only to see it threatened the by the unwelcome intrusion into the market of a behemoth such as OCLC, a behemoth with the overwhelming leverage of Worldcat, what would you do?</p>
<p>The key information in the complaint is the allegation (which I think we all know is a fact) that III has lost ILS contracts because of OCLC&#8217;s intrusion into the ILS market.  This is a matter of survival, and this is a battle OCLC has been inviting for years.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
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		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it that OCLC costs went up, or that library budget issues have made OCLC unaffordable? There is a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it that OCLC costs went up, or that library budget issues have made OCLC unaffordable? There is a difference.</p>
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		<title>By: K.G. Schneider</title>
		<link>http://freerangelibrarian.com/2010/07/30/oclc-in-crisis/comment-page-1/#comment-609666</link>
		<dc:creator>K.G. Schneider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonathan, good words there. I think OCLC needs to learn how to be a benevolent, member-oriented nonprofit. The last decade has put them in a position they aren&#039;t ready for, and it shows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonathan, good words there. I think OCLC needs to learn how to be a benevolent, member-oriented nonprofit. The last decade has put them in a position they aren&#8217;t ready for, and it shows.</p>
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		<title>By: povertystricken</title>
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		<dc:creator>povertystricken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 18:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi y&#039;all. I am writing from WalMart Libraryland. And I am just saying that there are some hard choices to be made here. Sure I&#039;d love to shop at the Apple store. I&#039;d love to shop at Barney&#039;s or Neiman Marcus, but then I wouldn&#039;t have any shoes, or a coat for winter. I would really, really like to continue my OCLC Connexion subscription, in fact I hyperventilate at the thought of it ending within the month, but then the county system I work for would have to close some library branches in towns that don&#039;t even have WalMart, or have no new books on the shelves. I hate being put in the position of choosing between OCLC and any library service at all to a rural community of 90,000 people. But there ya go. OCLC is not cooperating with us. They have effectively priced themselves out of the reach of many cooperating small and/or rural public libraries, most of whose constituents have a WalMart mentality. Am I supposed to say &quot;let them eat cake&quot;? The issue is so much more vast than whether one goes for quality or cheap service. In this case it is coming down to whether there is any library service at all. Our society is not supporting libraries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi y&#8217;all. I am writing from WalMart Libraryland. And I am just saying that there are some hard choices to be made here. Sure I&#8217;d love to shop at the Apple store. I&#8217;d love to shop at Barney&#8217;s or Neiman Marcus, but then I wouldn&#8217;t have any shoes, or a coat for winter. I would really, really like to continue my OCLC Connexion subscription, in fact I hyperventilate at the thought of it ending within the month, but then the county system I work for would have to close some library branches in towns that don&#8217;t even have WalMart, or have no new books on the shelves. I hate being put in the position of choosing between OCLC and any library service at all to a rural community of 90,000 people. But there ya go. OCLC is not cooperating with us. They have effectively priced themselves out of the reach of many cooperating small and/or rural public libraries, most of whose constituents have a WalMart mentality. Am I supposed to say &#8220;let them eat cake&#8221;? The issue is so much more vast than whether one goes for quality or cheap service. In this case it is coming down to whether there is any library service at all. Our society is not supporting libraries.</p>
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