I woke up early this morning, Independence Day, because I don’t have any goals.
I don’t mean I don’t have goals for today; I do indeed. I will make Green Goddess vegetable dip, I will limit myself to one small plate of treats at the pool party, I will perform one household task from the list of Things to be Done, and I will finish a collection of Jonathan Franzen essays that I would be reading this moment except it is under a sleeping cat.
No, I mean I don’t have goals professionally. This came up because a friend, hearing that a number of job interviews Were To and Have Been Taken, asked me if I was “ready” for the the job interview question, “Where do you see yourself in five years?”
First, perhaps this is an error, but aside from reading up on the organization and its personnel and asking around about the principles, I don’t prep for job interviews, beyond worrying about what to wear and strategizing about foods to avoid at interview luncheons (anything red and liquid, to start with, though I will heed one friend’s suggestion to avoid crispy tacos). So I’ve probably flubbed that question several times in the last two months alone, and have routinely flubbed it in the past for every job I’ve had since entering LibraryLand in 1991.
I also assiduously avoid coaching myself with lists of questions before the fact (unless the organization provides them as “pre-work,” of course). I skimmed that list, and it would be very helpful if I were interviewing someone, but if I stayed up prepping myself on 121 questions, I would sound canned, and that’s worse than being temporarily stumped. If I can’t handle a simple question extemporaneously to an interview group’s satisfaction, then that’s a big clue it’s a bad match on both sides. You hire me, you get me, the extemporaneous, uncoached, unplugged version.
But back to goals. It’s reasonable to think beyond where you are right now to places you’d like to work and accomplishments you’d like under your belt. But I know people who live their careers in the future tense, always thinking about how they are going to get to the job that puts the right title on their door. I don’t see that as working toward a professional goal. I see it as medicating your life, bargaining away your time and soul in exchange for the chance to be the [fill in the blank]. Most of these people are pretty boring and a little sad, as is to be expected of a monochromatic life.
(I remember one place a few years back where the game to be played was “let’s brag about who spent the most time working on Christmas Day.” I was a real spoilsport for saying that I left early on Christmas Eve to wrap presents, buy food, and hunt for a bottle of Drambuie.)
I wonder, too, when I see people whose lives are completely taken over by their career goals, if that isn’t a way to avoid facing questions such as “Is there room for love in my life” or “What is my relationship with God” or even “Do I really like myself?” I also know that when you get to be the [fill in the blank], it’s not going to fill that hole in your soul created by the time you didn’t spend with friends or family, the church services you missed, the gardens you never planted. You never get that time back.
(Note that I’m not arguing against working hard and doing a good job. I’m talking about perspective and proportion — the difference between burning the midnight oil on a crucial project versus burning the midnight oil because you don’t know what else to do with your life.)
You also can’t do a great job at your current gig if you’re constantly thinking about where you are going next. Your decisions have to be driven by more than “I want to be a [fill in the blank].” Despite the illusion of busy-ness, career-zombies expend so much energy on themselves in their work-narcissism that despite all the hours they claim to put into their jobs, a lot of that effort is all about them. I’ve seen people so absorbed with their own careers that they neglected the needs of those they worked with — or even trampled on those needs, taking all the plum opportunities and soaking up so much of the organization’s resources that there wasn’t enough left for others.
I stopped having grand career goals about twelve years ago, following a series of life events that made it clear my priorities had been badly awry — events, not extraordinary but still personally hard, that included serious illness of a loved one, death of a beloved, aged pet, and disillusionment with a cherished professional goal that up close, turned out to be meaningless. I also had a renewed sense of the joy and bittersweet brevity of life with those we love.
Once I stopped having goals and built more balance in my life, I started having fun, and I became a much better librarian. In the last decade-plus, I have spent far less time worrying about my “career” and a lot more time thinking about how to improve things wherever I work. Wandering across the country in family moves, I directed a small, special library for the EPA; I was a rural library director; I was a systems librarian for a nice-sized suburban library; I ran a respected, state-funded web portal and took it through some major transitions. If I had an implicit goal, it was to leave every place better than when I arrived, and I would like to think I have batted a thousand in that regard.
So where do I see myself in five years? I don’t know. Probably right here, in Tallahassee, if you want the literal truth. The real question is how — not where — others see me in five years. Will I be seen as a team member who works hard, does a good job, plays well with others, and has fun moments? Will I have at least a couple of victories under my belt? Will I have helped others reach their goals? Will the place — and librarianship — have been better for my presence? Because it doesn’t matter where I go next or what my title is; what truly matters is that the collective answer to those questions should be an emphatic “yes.”
Thanks, Karen, for putting so well what I’ve tried to articulate for some time. If we have balance – and leave early on Christmas Eve – it doesn’t mean we’re lazy or unmotivated. It means we’re willing to work hard, but also understand that there are other important things in life – like making things (work, family, world) better.
Happy Independence Day.
I was thinking recently that when it comes to my profession, while I feel passionately about what I do, I don’t have any idea where I’m going or how I’ll get there. Where do I see myself in five years? No clue. I was wondering if maybe there was something wrong with me, but now I feel less like that’s the case. Thank you.
Well said. Thanks Karen.
Thanks, all. Neff, maybe we’re just cut from the same strange cloth. 🙂 But if so… there’s a lot more where we came from!
Karen,
I have to say that most of the really interesting opportunities I’ve had have not happened because I planned for them, rather they happened because I have built up a bit of credibility over the years and was in the right place at the right time (in every sense of the word “place”). I’ve been at the same institution now for 30 years and it’s been a while since I tried to make a break for greener pastures (not sure there is such a thing, actually) but I do a fair amount of interview-ing and whenever someone asks that hoary question about five year plans I have a real urge to slap him or her. Sometimes is a younger librarian who hasn’t yet learned that life will make most five year plans into compost on a regular basis, and that helps me hold my hand in my lap. Other times it’s someone who is old enough to know better, and just has not paid enough attention to who this person is and can’t think of a better question. I cringe, sit on my hands, and hope that the interviewee hasn’t written us off as country bumpkins.
Your head is in the right space on this interviewing stuff, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
Wonderful comment, Diane (on an afternoon that featured too many pieces of paperwork and envelopes for my taste).
Generally I find interviewing kind of fun, in a weird sort of look-at-myself-doing-this-while-wearing-my-best-suit way, and the five-year question doesn’t bug me too much because having designed lists of interview questions (often by committee) I know you reach a point where you just want the job done with, and “hey, that’s a GREAT question, now we’re done!” is very appealing to busy me. The question tends to bring out the jokester in me, though.
Wouldn’t it be funny if we all answered that question completely honestly?
“Well, in five years I hope I’ve lost that last five pounds, gotten a really nice office chair, found half a dozen people with whom I can have a pleasant and entertaining lunch, and gotten to the point where a large enough percentage of my job is done on autopilot that I can phone it in for a few days at a time when I’ve got a cold.”
Karen, now that I’ve been freelancing for over a year, I find the question I get is more along the lines of “do you ever think about going back to getting a real job?” It will be interesting, if I ever decide to do that, to see how I will answer the question of “why are you doing this?” with anything other than that powerful phrase “health insurance.” 🙂
Debi, you are too funny! Actually, your “phone it in” comment is interesting, because as freelancers, we have to stay so sharp. An interesting blog/column idea… how freelancing builds better work habits.
For the first time in years, I’m not thinking about where I want to be professionally and what I want to have accomplished; I think it’s no coincidence that I’m also probably happier than I’ve been since childhood. It’s good to know that I’m not weird for that. 🙂
And, Rikhei, I bet you’re more effective for it, too!
I think this is a fantastic post and something I will try to keep in mind in the coming months. I wish I could say I feel the same way, though I admit I *try* to feel like I’m really present every day of my life. As a Page I spend most of my day shelving and it really does feel like I’m ‘putting in my time’ and making the connections I will need to apply for better jobs once I’ve put a year into the system. I try to stay curious and alert (and have some fun with my Librarians!) but ultimately I’m not in a job just yet that allows me to use my skills or make very much positive change. Yet I still feel like this is the right direction to go in- that I’m not wasting my time in the hopes of some greater reward because I frankly can’t get those jobs without this experience.
Your post is something I will definitely keep in mind as I work my way up the ladder, though. And I completely agree with your approach to interviewing- as an interviewer and an invterviewee, over-preparation stunts enthusiasm!
Nice Marmot, I promise if you are a good shelver and your library has even half a brain, your skills will not go unnoticed. Curious… alert… having fun… and doing a good job: you aren’t wasting ANY time. Every book shelved correctly is a joy to LibraryLand. Someday you will look back and say, when I was starting out, I shelved, and I did a good job, and trust me, it will matter.
Thanks for this posting. I really needed to read it and confirm my own thoughts with your lovely prose. Balance in life and having fun at work are counter cultural nearly revolutionary goals! But very important to me.
I am a new librarian, just starting my career, though it is a second career for me, and finding out quickly that the job I have taken is in a place that looks down on people for having lives outside of work. I want to ensure my students have excellent access to information and are well taken care of, but I’d like to see my husband in daylight hours, too. I appreciate your post, because it gives me hope that not all librarianship is like this, and that if this isn’t the right job for me to keep long-term, there may be some out there that don’t penalize me for wanting to be involved in my family, too.
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